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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x05 - "Imposters"

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Freman said:
Only 4 episodes left and we haven't seen Geordi, Lore or Moriarty yet, and Troi has barely shown up? I'm hoping they don't crap the bed trying to squeeze too much into only 4 more eps.

And Ro??? Totally took me by surprise, which is hard to do in this day and age. Sadly, as soon as she appeared I said to myself "She's gonna die, because these days they always have to kill off someone".

Wish I was wrong, but at least they closed her story with dignity.
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There are 5 episodes, but still the ending is always at risk of including a crying child that destroys space travel and the galactic economy. I am anxious about the spoilers too. Why did they spoil it when it could have been a surprise? They basically sacrificed the element of surprise and fan elation for marketing. Lore and Geordi may have been hard to hide, but Moriarty did not need to be spoiled at all.
 
dinzy said:
Oh I see the Borg speculation. That makes sense. He is also Locutus's kid.
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Just say that he is part Borg with some nanoprobes and some evolution of the Borg, this still doesn't quite explain what the Changelings want with him or why they are infiltrating Starfleet. If it is just because they hate them and want to bring them down, how or why does Jack fit into their agenda, beyond just being a plot device.

I can spin out a dozen theories as to who or what is happening, but yet to find any storyworthy reason as to why?

The rest of my speculation for how the season will go is that Moriarty is the AI guarding Daystrom and the only person capable of outwitting him is Lore so they need to use him to get past him. The characters will be a one and done episode to advance the plot but not central to it.

The Tasha Yar reference may be a Changeling taking her form briefly to distract Picard and manifest his guilt, again not central to the plot, but throwing us more references and easter eggs.

I suspect there will be another power at play controlling these Changelings based on Vadic cutting off her hand and there seeming to be some sort of hierarchy rather than unity, implying a non-Changeling being in charge. Guesses as to who this may be?
 
Well, I turned it off once it became clear that the writers of this show have no fucking clue how changelings work. I mean, I already knew that previously when they said the changeling infiltrators had to regenerate in a bucket (they don't, only Odo needed to do that.)

But, holy hell did they fuck up even worse tonight.
 
I'm beyond pissed that after Icheb, Hugh, and Q they killed off Ro Laren. I'm pretty sure by now they're gonna kill off one of the TNG main characters as well and I dread it.

The whole initial interaction between Ro and Picard felt way off to me. Kind of like when Riker blamed Picard in Episode 3. It just didn't feel right.

Oh goody, another uniform variant. Wonder what's the story behind this one.
 
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Char Kais said:
This is the kind of bullshit writing on Star Trek Picard that shows that NuTrek writers don't know Star Trek.

"Edge of the Alpha Quadrant" is a useless statement. What does that mean in this context?

Do you know what is one "edge of the Alpha Quadrant"?
Earth.

One "edge of the Alpha Quadrant" (between alpha and beta) is literally in the middle of Federation space.

Writers on Discovery use similar lingo. They just want to say "Quadrant", because it sounds Star Trekish.

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KamenRiderBlade said:
You're right, because the edge of the Alpha Quadrant connects to the Beta Quadrant on one side, or the Gamma Quadrant on the other side or the Delta Quadrant in the center where the SMBH resides.

Take your pick.

That's a VERY large set of "Alpha Quadrant Edges" to choose from.
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Seriously, people make comments like that (even on "official" documents at their jobs) all the time.


Yistaan said:
Alexander is dead isn't he? Worf was unusually touchy about what he supposedly sacrificed
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I figured it was because he lost two mates to murder.....




Anyway, Whatever shit Jack is going though, that last scene suggest it had been going on since he was small, I supposed all the way back in around 2380. And Beverly knows something.
 
Crewman6 said:
Well, I turned it off once it became clear that the writers of this show have no fucking clue how changelings work. I mean, I already knew that previously when they said the changeling infiltrators had to regenerate in a bucket (they don't, only Odo needed to do that.)

But, holy hell did they fuck up even worse tonight.
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Evolution.
 
Crewman6 said:
Dear god, let's hope so. Mirror Georgiou was one of the worst characters in Trek history.
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I didn't mind the character. I minded how the other DIS characters especially Burnham treated her. I mean they were basically crying when they had to say Good Bye to Kelpian eating Space-Hitler. And in no way is such a person suitable as main character of a Trek show.
 
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This one was definitely solid. Great to see Ro again. Sorry to see her go. I always liked her and Picard’s relationship. The Jack story is getting interesting. I’m glad to see it looks like the Titan and Raffi/Worf plots are intersecting. T’Corleone was silly. A Vulcan gangster? Dumb. The way that he got into Daystrom has to be Moriarty. But how did he get his program?

Obviously Jack has something the changelings need to survive. My new theory is that he does have some Borg nanoprobes in his blood (because Locutus) but of course they’re different in some way. As for the whole conspiracy in Starfleet, still not sure the why.

Im genuinely liking this season a lot. I’m not seeing it as the savior of Star Trek some are. I keep honestly seeing it just as a slightly better version of what we’ve been seeing in streaming Trek so far. I think an awful lot of that just has to do with building more on to characters we know well. Doesn’t make it better in my book. Just makes it familiar. To each his own.

We’re halfway done and we still need to see Geordi and Lore and actually really bring Deanna into the equation and bring all of them together. Not to mention explain why the Changelings are after Jack, why the Changelings are infiltrating Starfleet, deal with Vadic and probably one or two more mysteries they’ll introduce. Still a lot to do in five episodes.

8/10. Yeah, I liked last week’s better.
 
Impressive impressive episode.

Somehow managed to give a satisfactory resolution to Ro/Picard while simultaneously moving the plot forward in 60 minutes.

Some thoughts:

- I loved how it was the conflict between Ro and Picard that led them each to realize they were not changelings

- the visual of the Intrepid powering up while one nacelle was on fire … I don’t think a Starfleet ship has ever looked so menacing in all of Trek. I think they were going for the devil’s ship aesthetic and it blew me away. The music helped too.

- two deflector dishes on the Intrepid? Two-face metaphor?
 
Maybe these changelings are trying to set up a grey goo scenario with Jack as a Typhoid Mary of Borg/changeling hybrids.
 
Skyshadow said:
Just say that he is part Borg with some nanoprobes and some evolution of the Borg, this still doesn't quite explain what the Changelings want with him or why they are infiltrating Starfleet. If it is just because they hate them and want to bring them down, how or why does Jack fit into their agenda, beyond just being a plot device.

I can spin out a dozen theories as to who or what is happening, but yet to find any storyworthy reason as to why?

The rest of my speculation for how the season will go is that Moriarty is the AI guarding Daystrom and the only person capable of outwitting him is Lore so they need to use him to get past him. The characters will be a one and done episode to advance the plot but not central to it.

The Tasha Yar reference may be a Changeling taking her form briefly to distract Picard and manifest his guilt, again not central to the plot, but throwing us more references and easter eggs.

I suspect there will be another power at play controlling these Changelings based on Vadic cutting off her hand and there seeming to be some sort of hierarchy rather than unity, implying a non-Changeling being in charge. Guesses as to who this may be?
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The Moriarty thing is what I am thinking too, but, and this is less likely, the AI might be Lore and Moriarty could be the program on the Chip the Vulcan guy had. Lore could then be rescued by Worf and Raffi and that puts him in the remaining episodes.

Fair point about Jack. He needs to be connected for a reason and the changelings need to know what that is and this needs to be story worthy.

I'd love the main guy to be a Jem Hadar that found a way to turn the tables, but apart from a desire, I don't have a clue of what type of non changeling could be pulling the strings. It could be a changeling. The hand is just a communication device. I think it is a piece of all the changelings involved and this is how they can all communicate without being detected. It can only be done single handedly though. And the 2 that found Jack used communicators so it is not an instantaneous, always on thing. That kind of rules out Jack having some bit of changeling in him, trying to manipulate him.

If there is a Borg connection with Jack, and the changeling have developed some new organ synthesis ability, it could mean these are the Borg. The Borg assimilated some changelings and now are after Picard, through Jack. Still don't get why. I mean who cares about lingering old nanites? It doesn't really make sense.

The portal that the synths tried to come in through in Season 1 was red and had tentacles, but they were metallic, not organic and blood vessel looking like the ones Jack is seeing.

Whatever it is, I havent thought this much about a Trek episode since DS9 in the 90s, Back when Ron Moore used to post on the AOL board
 
So Jack going all Jason Bourne is kind of reminiscent of Dahj in the first episode of Picard - could Jack actually be a Soong type?

Could be that there is a call from his programming to try and return him to Coppelius?

I am clutching at straws and linking things very tenuously there but could also lead to a surprise Soji return which could be interesting
 
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