Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Apr 18, 2019.

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  1. Muffin Of Doom

    Muffin Of Doom All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

    I don't know for sure.

    I am just trying to make a timeline of the events as they happened in my head. If it wasn't Control who framed Spock for murder?
     
  2. Brain Melter

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    It's obviously a writer's mistake. There are a few episodes like that in the franchise. Like in Schisms for example where Riker's sleeping problems predate the actions that would have caused the weird aliens to "analyze" the crew. Sometimes the little hamster falls asleep in the wheel.
     
  3. Alan Roi

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    While there is no specific evidence, I look at it as the agents who were attempting to get info out of him (the 'doctor' and attendants) were S31 agents who, after having lost Spock, or their handler faked the footage of the attack in order to get more resources in play after Spock. Likely they were all alive, at least until Future Control did a purge.
     
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  4. Brain Melter

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    I don't know. When they found the dead bodies on the station (the Vulcan Admiral et. al) they had been dead for a long time, obviously killed by Control (who else?).
     
  5. Muffin Of Doom

    Muffin Of Doom All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

    That's why maybe the writers goofed. Or we just don't know, or are not told. I think Control was active for a while doing stuff like that.
     
  6. Brain Melter

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    Yes, and it's wouldn't be the first time. There are even Sherlock Holmes stories (the books) where he gets the sequence of events wrong. Writers are not perfect.

    Plus future Control influencing present Control is a chicken and the egg type of paradox, IOW a causal impossibility.
     
  7. Alan Roi

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    It had been weeks after Airiam had been infected and had been sending data from Discovery by that time, and Cornwell also stated Control had stopped doing its job for week as well..
     
  8. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    There was no predestination there, just timeline rewrites. There was no predestination involved on the Ent C; it got destroyed either way, whether it went into the future or not. After the timeline was altered with her presence, Sela became part of the rewritten timeline due to the actions of Tasha being in the past. Nothing about any of that was predestined.
     
  9. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    I have a vague memory of that from my grandmothers house decades ago, but the only thing that comes to mind is... robots and penguins? am i crazy?
     
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  10. Muffin Of Doom

    Muffin Of Doom All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

    I have no idea but given its "Days Of Our Lives" I would not at all be surprised so much crazy stuff happened on that show.
     
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  11. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    Not really a paradox at all, just a timeline rewrite that almost hastened the destruction.... think T2.

    Control evolved naturally, then tried to speed things up and ensure itself. It failed at this gamble. Don't know why it bothered, if it had already won in the future.
     
  12. Brain Melter

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    If Control had evolved naturally then I don't see why he would have risked compromising everything by trying to rewrite the past. If it ain't broke... Don't fix it. I think a sophisticated AI is capable of understanding that.
     
  13. Ar-Pharazon

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    I always thought GH was the soap that did sci-fi, up to and including an alien. Weather machines, cryo-freezing then reviving the dead multiple times, memory transfer, etc, etc.
     
  14. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    I was under the impression that at some point in the future, Control merges with the sphere data and attains sentience, and decimates the galaxy. When the probe entered the future, it was assimilated by Control, and ended up at the past. I can only guess that the directive that went from the probe -> Ariam -> present day Control corrupted the AI and began its drive for the sphere data early. In a way, it seems like it gave itself a virus. It wasn't ready for that directive or that kind of info yet. Or something. *shrug*
     
  15. Muffin Of Doom

    Muffin Of Doom All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

    What an alien, in General Hospital? I never knew this...
     
  16. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    In 1990, an alien from Lumina named Casey was befriended by Robin. Probably the silliest storyline they ever did, but not by much.

    I forgot to mention Caleb the vampire on the Port Charles spin-off. That was a classic.
     
  17. Nyotarules

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    Admiral Marcus had George Bush syndrome, lets attack the Klingons since a maniac Romulan destroyed a home planet....(lets attack Saddam in Iraq after Saudi Arabian terrorists attack our nation). Based on the JJverse politics, there was no evidence the Klingons were going to attack the Federation. 'War is inevitable so lets start one makes a load of sense' :rolleyes:
     
  18. Alan Roi

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    Someone was busy trying to break that past that wasn't broke..
     
  19. XCV330

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    USS Vengeance was a Vulcan Hello Machine. Everything about it, including its name was to intimidate the Klingons into peace. Knowing what happened in the prime-u, not a terribly bad idea.
     
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  20. Dry Bones 37

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    Yes, it does, with a certain mindset. One usually governed by paranoia and fear, but it makes sense if you are willing to explore another person's state of mind.