I was waiting on SOMEBODY to post that!
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"
- Thread starter Commander Richard
- Start date
I don't think it's so much the chamber as the vocal thoughts that occasionally pass through it.
The writers could never quite make up their minds about who the Enterprise "worked for" in the first season. It often seemed like it was an Earth ship and the government was Earth based and the members were Earth Colonies. That gave way to multi species Federation best exemplified by Journey To Babel. JTB and the Immunity Syndrome are from season two. So thats pretty much when it was nailed down as a Multi species Federation, even if we rarely saw non humans.
Actually, that was just my bad English skills.
Anyway, I'm ready for some black flag hoisting, naval action and cannon violence.
Honestly, dude...it wasn't until fairly recently that I learned you are not a native English speaker. I think your skills are actually quite good....!
But even in these episodes - where "Federation" and "Starfleet" synonymous? In my vague memories of TOS, I recall Earth being part of the Federation (multiple species joining together), but "Starfleet" as a distinct Earth organization - I always assumed the other Federation members had their own spacecraft organizations. At least in TOS - in TNG/DS9 that changed obviously.
(What about the theory that these alien organizations use the same starships - like today many NATO-States use the same planes and jets?)
Aw, thanks.
I got accused by someone this past weekend of being an "echo chamber leader" or something like that.
I was hurt.
Deeply.
It makes sense if you think that in TOS the Federation is like the EU and Starfleet is like the NATO. So yes, there is the United Earth, which runs UESPA, which builds the Enterprise which operates under the command of the Starfleet, which works for the Federation, which the United Earth is a member of.
Last edited:
Did it leave a ringing in yer ears?I got accused by someone this past weekend of being an "echo chamber leader" or something like that.
I was hurt.
Deeply.
Gene L. Coon was the producer/writer responsible for introducing "The Federation" and "Starfleet Command" in TOS as in the original (and I mean Original) pitch - the Enterprise was a United Earth ship and Spock was a Martian (and would have remained such if Mariner IV hadn't dione a flyby of Mars in 1964 and people were telling GR - No, we now know there's no life of Mars, so Spock needs to come from somewhere else....)
^^^
My point: Yes, conceptually the 1701 was originally just from the Sol system and no wider 'Star Nation' comprising Earth and other alien worlds was part of the original GR concept for Star Trek.
There were at least five different one-off organizations that the Enterprise belonged to in the first season; the only one I believe that was mentioned more than once was UESPA.
On my rewatch last night (I hardly ever re-watch a DSC episode in-season, but his one warranted it), I noticed that even the Section 31 stuff, which I would generally find boorish and idiotic if not for my love of all things Michelle Yeah, was at least above tolerable.
I do agree with those who say that we could have done without Georgeau saying that she destroyed the Talosians, though. I am firmly in the camp that "soft-rebooting" her character from S1 is not only welcome, but necessary if they're going to have her go down some sort of sympathetic / redemption path. But, this kind of set it back a bit to say the least.
That being said, I'm open to accepting it to her being a little showy and playing it up for Leland, and perhaps it's not the truth.
I do agree with those who say that we could have done without Georgeau saying that she destroyed the Talosians, though. I am firmly in the camp that "soft-rebooting" her character from S1 is not only welcome, but necessary if they're going to have her go down some sort of sympathetic / redemption path. But, this kind of set it back a bit to say the least.
That being said, I'm open to accepting it to her being a little showy and playing it up for Leland, and perhaps it's not the truth.
They all joined one day after Spock did, all 400 of them ........
It's hard being a racial minority on Earth, surrounded by billions of Indians , Chinese and other Brown folks
So just state your opinion. When you poison the well with this hive mind crap in the first paragraph why do you act shocked that people don't take you and your post as seriously after that? Not to mention your incorrect use of the overused (and often sexist) term "Mary Sue", which is where I usually just tune people out.
No.
Yeah, it's not real life. TV characters monologue like that all the time, especially main characters in Star Trek. Picard, Janeway, Sisko, Archer, and Kirk all used to give preachy spontaneous speeches about their principles.
He just found out that the entire basis for his society's way of life was a genocidal lie meant to keep them under control, based on another lie centered on suppressing their original aggressive hunter tendencies. I think he's handling it remarkably well considering.
Yeah, she's a secondary character. Lots of those on the other shows too. I'd like to see more development of her character too, but I don't act like it's some unprecedented situation.
'Member when they did the Mirror Universe on DS9 and ENT?
Remember when Section 31 showed up on ENT?
Remember when the old Enterprise showed up on DS9 and Scotty and McCoy on TNG?
Remember when Spock had a secret brother in STV?
Remember when they used Captain Pike in ST09 and STID?
Did you really expect a series set between the Pike-era and TOS to not reference things from them?
This is obviously subjective but I frequently find myself laughing at jokes and quips made during the episodes. Tillyisms (which I find humorous rather than annoying) are a large part of it, but not exclusively.
I mean, you sound kind of angry and like your hate-watching these things ("hillbilly asswipe", seriously?), so maybe you're not coming at it from the best place.
Wow, that's a lot of unsupported nonsense to spin off from a Spock's beard complaint.
Why not? It's an interesting development that makes his extraordinary mental prowess all the more impressive considering he was overcoming a learning disability as well.
Because he was clearly framed for three murders he didn't commit by an agency that committed those murders and now wants to take him into custody? Is it wrong to resist enforcement of an illegal operation?
Yes, lots of people thought it was a good idea and cool, including people who are ordinarily critical of the show. I'm sure you'll dismiss them all as conformist, though.
Obviously not. Did T'pol just retire once the Federation was formed? If not, she'd be a Vulcan in Starfleet. The crew of the USS Intrepid in TOS was all Vulcan. Commander Sonak in TMP was Vulcan. There was obviously a number of Vulcans joining Starfleet during that era, which makes sense with them being a founding member.
Oh god, who gives a shit? These are such petty complaints. Just imagine her eyes are blue if it bothers you so much. Are we even sure they aren't blue? Or, here's a thought, since her entire appearance is an illusion created by the Talosians, maybe she decided to change her eye color? Mind blowing! Regardless, she looks nothing like the original actress, so just use your imagination.
Did you flip out when Zefram Cochrane suddenly went from being 33 years old to looking like Farmer Hoggett or did you just roll with it?
Yeah, the sister he idolized hit him exactly in the most painful spot possible. The thing he had always been self-conscious about because of his father and his bullies and the Vulcan Science Academy reinforcing it his whole life.
No one is comparing the episode against the entirety of Trek, they're comparing it against the other episodes from this season or the first two seasons. It's really not rocket science.
It's Newspeak, not "news speak". If you're going to arrogantly accuse others of being brainwashed masses for liking a show you don't like, at least get the Orwellian terms right.
What kind of response did you expect from people when you come in insulting them like this over a difference of opinion?
Ah, this old chestnut. The 1939 Wizard of Oz that everyone most identifies with was the eighth film adaptation of L. Frank Baum's book in less than forty years since it was published, so the idea that remakes are some new Hollywood trend is bullshit. If anything they did it more in the past.
No one's being tricked into anything. That's absurd.
Don't insult people's intelligence and then make demands on them to do better. If you want polite, constructive responses, make more of an effort yourself first.
Last edited:
Keep your receipt.
That statement was so Sisko.
Well, you've only been here since Yesterday, so I guess that makes sense.
Or so she thinks. Talosians are master illusionists. How can anyone be sure of anything when it comes to them.
Georgiou didn't destroy a thing.
yep. the best way to get the Terrans off your back is to make them think you're gone
Similar threads
- Poll
