Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x08 - "If Memory Serves"

[Nerys Myk]

It's not our Spock.

Every time the red angel from the future, interferes with the present, the timeline diverges.

Unless a previous fiddle,, accidentally killed Burham, then in the future that the angel originally came from, maybe the prime time line, Burnham died as a 12 year old to a beast attack.

"Sigh"

"Our Spock" won't show up until WNMHGB probably because of the Red Angel

 

[Tuskin38]

It's not our Spock.

Every time the red angel from the future, interferes with the present, the timeline diverges.

Unless a previous fiddle,, accidentally killed Burham, then in the future that the angel originally came from, maybe the prime time line, Burnham died as a 12 year old to a beast attack.

"Sigh"

He’s our Spock, and this is the prime timeline until said otherwise by a writer or producer.

So far nothing has said these alterations never happened in the prime timeline.

 

[DaveyNY]

I didn’t notice on my watch through

https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1104519320103735296

The doctor tending to Spock in the psych ward didn’t have the delta pattern on her uniform.


The footage they used was HD, they just didn’t use the HD footage of the ship for some reason.

The HD version on CBSAA of THE CAGE, uses the original vfx of the Enterprise, not the Remastered CGI version.

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe she has an "Constitution style" uniform.

I don’t think so, she still has a split badge, and DSC style division colouring.

Also the two security guards appear to be wearing Mirror Universe uniforms, just with Starfleet insignia

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don’t think so, she still has a split badge, and DSC style division colouring.

Also the two security guards appear to be wearing Mirror Universe uniforms, just with Starfleet insignia

Have to look for that on my rewatch.

 

[Mr Awe]

No, it is not that at all. It's like a Judge Judy episode when she says, "If it doesn't make sense then it's a lie." Now, yes, different people may react differently, but in actuality, on average, people don't. The reaction to the offense strikes many (and I am one of them) as wildly disproportionate. Spock has never struck anyone as being that emotionally unstable or fragile especially over the long haul. It is an emotionally non sequitur reaction when factoring in how self-aware Spock is. And the notion Spock would refuse her earlier overtures to make amends just doesn't add up.

Now to be clear, I am not poo-pooing the storyline as merely pointing out a weakness within it (Like Kirk not raising the shields in The Wrath of Khan - still love the movie and all involved and know it was to service the plot but hey that bit was terrible writing). Star Trek Discovery has moments of great writing and moments of not so great writing. The Spock-Burnham exchange and fallout does not ring logical or true.

I mentioned this upthread, but yes, I agree with your take on this. The reaction was disproportionate. Particularly because Spock knows why she said it. Michael was misguided but had good intentions--all of which he understood.

Although, I'm willing to buy into it for the sake of the story. And, noting that it reinforces the other bullies helps buying into it.

Agree that it's a weak spot within a good story. I think the fact the conflict was hyped up and made mysterious throughout the season helped make it a bit of a let down.

 

[Tuskin38]

Have to look for that on my rewatch.

Well there’s a gif here of the takedown scene.

https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1104513442713460736?s=21

 

[DaveyNY]

Her outfit very much seems to be a precursor to this...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Her outfit very much seems to be a precursor to this...

Dammit, Jim. I'm a Doctor, not a BeeGee!

 

[Guy Gardener]

He’s our Spock, and this is the prime timeline until said otherwise by a writer or producer.

So far nothing has said these alterations never happened in the prime timeline.

Zeroth timeline?

Naked Timeline?

I did say ""Maybe" the prime timeline" because of mostly your reasons.

Although what a writer/producer says, does not create canon.

If they have to tell us IRL, what they forgot to tell us on camera, when they were making their show, then they suck and we can't trust them to know what is right for Star Trek.

 

[TrickyDickie]

I think the reason why they didn't use the Enterprise from 'The Cage' is because the underside dome on the saucer was not defined enough and did not show up well against the black background. It makes it appear as if a piece is missing and it glaringly stands out. Not as bad in the first shot here, but not good in the other two:

 

[Doc Mugatu]

Judge Judy comes across as very arrogant and dismissive. "If it doesn't make sense, then it's a lie."....Doesn't make sense to who? To her? In the real world, it is so often the case that when something doesn't make sense it is because there are pieces of information that are missing. It is her kind of attitude that is getting more and more people these days falsely accused of things that they did not do.

Yes to her and most critically thinking individuals. Her perspective, as judge deciding a case, using a reasonable man standard (not the "wildly fantastically unique individual" standard) that allows things such as "if it doesn't make sense then it's a lie" to be a truism. Given what we have been presented over 53 years or so with Spock … Discovery's interpretation does not add up. It feels manipulated and contrived in the instance of Spock and Burnham.

Again, I am not damning the show over it. It is a patch of bad writing. No series is perfect and we must take the bitter with the sweet.

 

[Doc Mugatu]

Zeroth timeline?

Naked Timeline?

I did say ""Maybe" the prime timeline" because of mostly your reasons.

Although what a writer/producer says, does not create canon.

If they have to tell us IRL, what they forgot to tell us on camera, when they were making their show, then they suck and we can't trust them to know what is right fro Star Trek.

You were fine. Your posting had merit.

 

[Succubint]

I think it was a well written, well acted and well executed scene. YMMV.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it was a well written, well acted and well executed scene. YMMV.

Same.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Yes to her and most critically thinking individuals. Her perspective, as judge deciding a case, using a reasonable man standard (not the "wildly fantastically unique individual" standard) that allows things such as "if it doesn't make sense then it's a lie" to be a truism.

"Most critically thinking individuals"....how is that determined? By poll of a small number?

Generalizations seldom work as well as we are led to believe. They cause many problems and perpetuate many fallacies.

 

[JKM]

So Leland has called Spock "Commander" two weeks in a row now.........Has he been to the future, or does he just have knowledge of it? Is his full name Leland Daniels?

At least in this latest episode he was addressing Burnham when he said 'Commander.' He was looking directly at her. I'd have to rewatch the previous week, but I'm sure it was the same since Spock was unconscious when Leland was in the room.

 

[Tuskin38]

If they have to tell us IRL, what they forgot to tell us on camera, when they were making their show, then they suck and we can't trust them to know what is right for Star Trek.

How could they explain something like that on screen?

How does someone in universe say “Don’t worry, it’s still the prime timeline”, without breaking the fourth wall?

Have someone say it’s a predestination paradox? That these time travel events always happened, are supposed to happen.

 

[Succubint]

In re-watching 2x03 today, I notice that Michael tells Amanda she barely got past the outskirts of Shi'Kahr when she ran away. If you look at a map of Vulcan, I think it's pretty safe to say that she barely ventured into Vulcan's Forge either, judging by the distances involved. So the concern for there being foliage in the place where she is picked up needn't be that big a deal. Judging by her statement, it's more likely she was at the very perimeter of the desert, not deep inside it.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Has anybody talked about the little robots cleaning up after the Tyler-Culber fight? Because there were freaking robots cleaning up the ship.

I don't recall seeing that before.