Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x02 - "New Eden"

[NeoStar9]

I hope they fix the close captions. I thought it was jut me. I don't really need them but I do like having them on. For those that need them though they were a complete mess tonight.

 

[Firebird]

I loved this episode. It really felt like a good old fashioned Trek yarn. I gave it a 9.



I actually mentioned that to my wife as we were watching. I miss it.

They did have a crewman announcing "Black alert, this is not a drill" or something to that effect over the PA.

 

[Campe]

I hope they fix the close captions. I thought it was jut me. I don't really need them but I do like having them on. For those that need them though they were a complete mess tonight.

Agreed. And also the audio for the “Next week on...”

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

They did have a crewman announcing "Black alert, this is not a drill" or something to that effect over the PA.

I think Pike said black alert once as well, for the first jump.

 

[Vger23]

They did have a crewman announcing "Black alert, this is not a drill" or something to that effect over the PA.

Yeah, I know...but not nearly as good as the computer voice.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Agreed. And also the audio for the “Next week on...”

There was sound, but no dialogue (just music).
EDIT: and I think there was supposed to be dialogue as well.

 

[Vger23]

Speaking of music, the music this season is an improvement. I really love it.

 

[thribs]

^^^
I liked it as it was Captain's discretion. The people there did create their own society over the 200 years since they were taken there.

- Plus, could they fit everyone on the planet on the ship (and if not would Starfleet authorize and Stamets be willing to endure the number of Jumps it would take?)

- Would everyone want to leave? You also have the situation that if enough DO want to leave; would the ones who remain have enough manpower and diversity to continue living and procreating there.

Pike thought abut the above and figured it was best to leave these people as they were. That said, I do LOVE that he in the end had a reason to reveal the truth to the one person who needed to hear it.

They could have given them a choice. They didn’t have to leave if they didn’t want to.
Plus, isn’t diverting that meteor also breaking the rule? By that logic they should have let them all die.

 

[Campe]

There was sound, but no dialogue (just music).
EDIT: and I think there was supposed to be dialogue as well.

One would think. Whatever happened, the sound mix was pretty terrible.

 

[bookworm8571]

Vulcan soap opera "All my Kah-if-farr".
Or maybe more like a Vulcan reality show.

That might be more entertaining than some of what has been on Discovery.

I didn’t especially like this episode and gave it a 5. I’ve never liked Trek when it gets on a soapbox about how deluded and backwards the believers (of whatever Earth or alien religion) are. I also don’t buy that religion would be as unfamiliar to these characters as all that. Enterprise, set after their Third World War, had Dr. Phlox mention his attendance at various religious ceremonies in a church, etc. Vulcans, despite their devotion to logic, also appear to have strong religious traditions. The monks and temple priestesses and katric arks and Kolinahr, etc., are part of a tradition of religious practice.

 

[Noname Given]

https://twitter.com/StarTrekRoom/status/1088629553205899264

“TNG’s Who Watched the Watchers came up A LOT when we were breaking this episode!”

Didn't click the tweet, but in thinking about it thios mirrors more TOS S3 - "The Paradise Syndrome" <-- Which is also the first mention of "The Preservers" (who Spock found out about when he managed to decipher the Obelisk.) After saving the planet nobody was going - "Hey lets take these Earth Indians home..." <--- So, yeah, given the situation this ST: D episode, Kirk may also have decided it's best to leave the society as it is.

 

[Vger23]

They could have given them a choice. They didn’t have to leave if they didn’t want to.
Plus, isn’t diverting that meteor also breaking the rule? By that logic they should have let them all die.

The minute you reveal yourself, you've broken the rule. The impact of removing certain people would potentially be worse than the reveal.

The whole "can't save people even if they don't know we did it" stupid piece of the PD never showed itself until TNG.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I didn’t especially like this episode and gave it a 5. I’ve never liked Trek when it gets on a soapbox about how deluded and backwards the believers (of whatever Earth or alien religion) are.

I didn't feel at all that they were on a soapbox about how backward these people were.
I thought they were generally respectful of the people and their culture.


Edit to add:

I also don’t buy that religion would be as unfamiliar to these characters as all that. Enterprise, set after their Third World War, had Dr. Phlox mention his attendance at various religious ceremonies in a church, etc. Vulcans, despite their devotion to logic, also appear to have strong religious traditions. The monks and temple priestesses and katric arks and Kolinahr, etc., are part of a tradition of religious practice

Burnham and Owosekum were not unfamiliar. Burnham just said she was not a believer. Pike was familiar because his father taught comparative religion.

 

[Vger23]

That might be more entertaining than some of what has been on Discovery.

I didn’t especially like this episode and gave it a 5. I’ve never liked Trek when it gets on a soapbox about how deluded and backwards the believers (of whatever Earth or alien religion) are. I also don’t buy that religion would be as unfamiliar to these characters as all that. Enterprise, set after their Third World War, had Dr. Phlox mention his attendance at various religious ceremonies in a church, etc. Vulcans, despite their devotion to logic, also appear to have strong religious traditions. The monks and temple priestesses and katric arks and Kolinahr, etc., are part of a tradition of religious practice.

I didn't interpret it that way at all. I thought it was very balanced and respectful. It showed different points of view. And unlike other Trek spin-offs, it didn't choose a side and tell you how to think.

 

[CorporalClegg]

This was one of the few times I thought the PD was used well. Pike was totally in the right.

Which means Burnham was totally in the wrong.
...wait.

 

[thribs]

This was one of the few times I thought the PD was used well. Pike was totally in the right.

Which means Burnham was totally in the wrong.
...wait.

Does that mean I’m agreeing with Burnham?
The world has indeed gone mad.

 

[Campe]

Which means Burnham was totally in the wrong.
...wait.

Gasp!

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I see helmet-cams have an "End-of-episode" cliffhanger function...

 

[Tim Thomason]

Owosekun comes from a "luddite commune" (on Earth?!), but one that's non-religious. Interesting.

Detmer got her pilot's license at age 12.

Little details on the bridge crew they're sprinkling in. No sign of Reno or Nhan, but who knows what the hell is going on with engineering on this ship. The first ship that can travel across the galaxy in a split second, and we've never met the chief engineer.

And I am kicking myself for not thinking of the Preservers as the Red Angels. They mention the Preservers on TOS as if they were a well-known thing, and this could be telling us where Starfleet learned about this mysterious race. Maybe we'll see an obelisk this season.

 

[Noname Given]

They could have given them a choice. They didn’t have to leave if they didn’t want to.
Plus, isn’t diverting that meteor also breaking the rule? By that logic they should have let them all die.

^^^
Pike wasn't on the Bridge when Saru made that decision. Who knows how he would have felt?

That said, I'll bring up the parallel to TOS S3 - "The Paradise Syndrome" again in that Kirk and Co.'s original Starfleet orders were to divert the Asteroid USING the 1701. (And yes, they ultimately did use the Asteroid Deflector system the Preservers placed there, but Starfleet was okay with said planet being saved.

Again, another indication ST: D takes place in the 23rd century where the PD isn't as cut and dry or absolute and is quite different from the version of the PD in the 24th century as followed (and also occasionally disobeyed too ) by Picard and Co.