Yeah...and there goes the idea it's "our" Lorca. It's pretty much confirmed that he's MU-Lorca now, alas...
...but he's still badass.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"
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...but he's still badass.
Agreed. I like Latif's performance, but Jason Issacs is crushing it.
I really, really hope they can find a way to keep Lorca on the show.
There's actually a third alternative: that everything you've seen to this point is a lie. That he actually is Ash Tyler, with a "minder" personality based on Voq's engrams. Maybe that was the only way they could've done it. Maybe he's misinterpreting what he recalls based on trauma--which really messes with your memory in the first place. If that's the case, then, as per #1, he could serve.
In your #1, I'm not sure he could because, frankly, how could Starfleet trust a Frankenstein's monster like that? I mean, if I understand it properly, this was a pretty effin' grisly operation. It looks like Voq's skeleton was used--after being modified--but Tyler's organs, musculature, circulatory system, and epidermis were transferred to Voq's skeleton and then some kind of engram-copy of Ash's personality was overlaid. That explains the crushed bones, that explains the inflammation around every organ, etc. There's no way in Hell's Ninth Circle Starfleet would allow something like that to continue to serve, even if, somehow, they "purged" Voq's engrams.
So, no, unless what we're seeing is a total fabrication, I don't see Tyler as a long-term character for much longer.
Which, as I've said before, is very much a missed opportunity...
They said at the end of the last episode to keep the Discovery within transporter range of the Shenzhou. I'm not sure what that range is though since they were still in the debris field in the first shot of the Discovery.
It probably isn't since Discovery is filmed in and around Toronto.
Maybe the same thing they did to Arne Darvin in "The Trouble with Tribbles." The only difference with Tyler is that they also somehow grafted memories from the real Tyler onto Voq. And by the latter episode, Starfleet knew how to scan for this type of Klingon medical deception so that's why McCoy's tricorder revealed Darvin to be a Klingon.
No. "Rocks and Shoals" was filmed near L.A. whereas Discovery is not even filmed in the same country. I doubt they'd fly everyone down to L.A. to shoot that scene and likely filmed in a similar location near Toronto.
I think we need to ready ourselves for Lorca being MU-native. If that's the case, unless they can, somehow, get a conspiracy of silence amongst all the bridge officers to agree that no one will report that they know Lorca's from the MU, we're looking at Lorca not staying with us past this season or perhaps even this MU arc.
Think about it. If he is MU-native, then there's no way Starfleet is likely to keep him on their dime and as CO of the Discovery. Presuming he even gets back to the Prime universe, Starfleet Intelligence will want to pick his brains for a decade or two, at least. They won't leave him as captain of the Discovery and that's even before we get to Admiral Cornwell's ridiculous and ethically challenged threat to remove him. Add those two things together and I think we can see how his story-arc is going to go. If he is MU-native, he'll either die trying to run another coup against Empress Georgiou or he'll succeed and take her place. Perhaps that's why we see Spock in Starfleet ten years later. Emperor Lorca runs a more tolerant regime (though it would be really lame because, frankly, for Lorca to go from being an admirable Starfleet officer to a ruthless dictator is pushing credulity).
As I see it, the only way we're going to see Lorca past Season 1 is for him to be our Lorca and for all these clues to be writer misdirection.
Ha! You're right! I'm so used to recycled locations in Star Trek that I'm conditioned to look for them. LMAO!
Yeah, I did miss that possibility. To date the writers have not thrown me for a curve, so I'd be pleasantly surprised if they went this route.
In general, this show seems like it has a very difficult tightrope to walk for the third season.
Basically, the show has only six main characters - a small cast by historic standards, made worse because of the limited use of secondary and recurring guest characters. Out of those six, three potentially will not be able to serve as Starfleet officers next season. Ash is currently a Klingon sleeper agent. Lorca may be a mirror universe inhabitant. And Stamets may yet evolve into some sort of weird energy being. They all could complete their plot arc for the season and have a more "normal" experience in the second season, but it would be anticlimactic. For example, we know that the spore drive doesn't get utilized in the future in Trek, which means even if Stamets sticks around, his whole reason for being on the Discovery is over - he's just some science dude doing science things. Potentially we'd only have Burnham, Tilly, and Saru (barring unexpected deaths) continue over, and have to have a lot of new cast members introduced.
Really love the look of the Andorians and the Tellarites. I thought the ENT Tellarites were an okay update, but really disliked the makeup around their eyes, which made them look like Droopy Dog. I don't think they really needed to alter the Andorian voice to make it sound so deep, but that's not a big deal.
Loved Burnham's internal monologue at the beginning about how the MU is different from the main universe. Probably my favorite scene/sequence from the episode.
Although we all knew he was Voq, the scene where he revealed himself to Michael was really well done.
Hopefully Prime Universe Detmer gets more to do. Though I'm really enjoying the MU version.
So are multiple Stamets going to join forces to fix things?
Loved Burnham's internal monologue at the beginning about how the MU is different from the main universe. Probably my favorite scene/sequence from the episode.
Although we all knew he was Voq, the scene where he revealed himself to Michael was really well done.
Hopefully Prime Universe Detmer gets more to do. Though I'm really enjoying the MU version.
So are multiple Stamets going to join forces to fix things?
A lot of the actors showed up at SDCC, NYCC, and STLV, and those were all during filming of the first season .
I'd be thrilled beyond all capacity for rational thought if they managed to throw us for a loop like that. I've really become somewhat invested in Tyler and I was not looking forward to his reveal as Voq
And, to be honest, Tilly is a cadet, a fourth-year one, at that. As she alluded to in her conversation with Saru, she's just about done with the academy. She should be graduating and, if that's the case, it's unlikely she'll keep a post with the Discovery. That leaves us with Burnham--who, as I've said before, has many narrative problems they're going to have to handle adroitly if they don't want to just shatter suspension of disbelief completely--and Saru, out of the main cast.
Now, of course, we have the rest of the bridge crew and there's a chance for us to finally see the CMO and whatnot, if they want to go down that route, but...Season 2 could look very, very different from this one, if things continue as we think they will.
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