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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"
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Hell, next you'll be saying you see the image of the Virgin Mary or Jesus Christ.I see the vague outline of a Connie's primary hull
Hell, I see elements of a Star Wars Star Destroyer there too. I seriously doubt the Defiant is somewhere in the midst of the palace ship. I'm sure they used the tech advancements they made in studying the Defiant were used in the design and construction of that ship, but I doubt it's some Frankenstein type ship with the original hull of the Defiant in there somewhere.
Like these guys?
It's for plot expediency. Get all the pieces one place. Streamline the number of scenes and cuts.
Redundant? Nah. Not as long as people keep forgeting it's a TV show.
Yes -- these are valid examples of Star Trek in the past having people on the bridge mainly "for plot". However, I don't need those prior examples to be OK with Lorca being there (which, granted, the IRL reason for him being there was ONLY so we viewers could see his reaction to Empress Georgiou's entrance).
There are also valid in-universe reasons for him being there, so the "for dramatic purposes only" reasons for the show's writers wanting him there still works for me. Burnham's valid excuse (in the eyes of the crew) for having Lorca there on the bridge could simply be that she still wants to interrogate him further, and sending him to the brig would be a waste of time (remember, they were talking in the ready room when Detmer called in about detecting another power signature). So instead of sending him to the brig only to have him sent back to her ready room later, she instead gives the guard standing outside the ready room the instruction to "grab Lorca".
That makes more sense than leaving him alone in the ready room, and could conceivable make more sense than sending him back to the brig.
So there's a simple explanation for how Burnahm could have Lorca on the bridge with her that would not raise any eyebrows with the crew. And it's a valid enough explanation in my mind for me not to dwell on it as being "sloppy writing just so they can show Lorca smirking".
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Um, no. Kirk and Spock and Cyrano Jones didn't know Tribbles reacted to Klingons the way they did until there were Klingons around the Tribbles at Space Station K-7. The K-7 Bar tender knew what a Tribble was before Cyrano put one on the counter. So, Tribbles were known in the Star Trek Universe prior to their appearance in TOS - "The Trouble With Tribbles" .
Yes, neither Kirk or Spock had never seen or heard of Tribbles before - but Spock found data on Tribbles (and their Home world) in the ship's Library computer - hence his admonishment to Cyrano Jones about removing Truibbles from their "Predator filled environment..."
Thus, there may have been many other Captains (like Lorca) and other people in Starfleet who knew about the properties, pitfalls, and behavior of Tribbles near Klingons and other aliens before Kirk and Co. encountered them. Kirk wasn't always the first to encounter everything in the TOS era of Star Trek.
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I'm not kidding when I say, this is the one thing that now makes me give some possible credence to the: 'The current U.S.S. Discovery Lorca is from the MU' fan theory. And if it does end up to be true - kudos to the writing staff for giving the audience that 'clue' from the start.
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Maybe MU Lorca speaks with a British accent, hence the reason his accent slipped for a moment in ep 11.
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Oh -- wait, That wouldn't work. The MU people hearing him right now with his North American accent would wonder what happened to his British accent.
Maybe MU Lorca speaks with a British accent, hence the reason his accent slipped for a moment in ep 11.
It seemed to me his "slipping" accent was putting more of a southern drawl into his voice.
I noticed that too. Definitely more southern than usual. He was having a hard time in the pilot as well, with the accent slipping in and out between a neutral American accent (Ohio, central midwestern) to Virginian (mild southern). This most recent episode he sounded like he was from deepest darkest Georgia!
I thought he sounded slightly Australian for a moment, but that could be what it was.
I noticed that too. Definitely more southern than usual. He was having a hard time in the pilot as well, with the accent slipping in and out between a neutral American accent (Ohio, central midwestern) to Virginian (mild southern). This most recent episode he sounded like he was from deepest darkest Georgia!
Jason Isaacs designed the accent to be very mildly southern, because he thought it would give him more of the "military" bearing he needed for the role.
Actually, the original MU episode was pretty much (among other things) based on the fact that Halkans were the same in both universes. It was continuing joke in DS9 that with the exception of Nog, Ferengi are actually nice ones there.And so on.
Any thoeries about MU Starnets? What is his plan?
I don't think they shot DS9 anywhere remotely near the Toronto area. I'm sure most rock quarries look pretty much the same.
Do a little dance. Make a little love. Get down tonight
Just like Mirror Kira -- Mirror Stamets in love with himself.
well, all I have to say after watching that is Wow! So Ash tyler IS Voq?! Just occurred to me that maybe that Ash Tyler/Voq might actually be the one from this mirror universe and possibly the Ash Tyler from our universe might have somehow become strand in this universe. Just a thought.
I completely concur. Jones is absolutely fantastic at Saru. Love him and that character. Want to know more about Saru and his people. Wiseman and Green were also brilliant.
except that he's not the Paul Stammets from our universe according to Tilly
A really fun and entertaining episode, a 10 from me.
Tyler succumbing to Voq persona was pretty cool. Shazad Latif was pretty great in all aspects of his character(s).
Like others, I do wish there had been some insight into how the Discovery was ready to beam Tyler aboard and knew that he was to be jailed. Not so much from Burnham's side on the Shenzhou, but even just a line from Saru along the lines of, "Thanks to Burnham's transmission, we know all about you, Mr. Tyler." I usually like that every little thing doesn't always need to be spelled out, but if there's not enough explanation, or none at all, you're just left scratching your head.
I guess Tyler/Voq will now become brig-buddies with L'Rell.
And will there ever be a security officer on duty in the brig? Sometimes I think Discovery is operating with just a skeleton crew!
It's funny that now that we know for sure that Latif has played Voq from the start, it's easy to hear him now as Mirror Voq, especially with the character speaking English. He's still hard to see under all that makeup and prosthetics though.
Another question: Tyler said his mission was to infiltrate the Discovery to learn their secrets and stuff; if this is the case, then was L'Rell's claim to Cornwell that she wanted to defect just a ruse to get onto the ship, or was it legit. I'm pretty sure she really did want to get t.f. away from Kol, one way or the other.
Tyler succumbing to Voq persona was pretty cool. Shazad Latif was pretty great in all aspects of his character(s).
Like others, I do wish there had been some insight into how the Discovery was ready to beam Tyler aboard and knew that he was to be jailed. Not so much from Burnham's side on the Shenzhou, but even just a line from Saru along the lines of, "Thanks to Burnham's transmission, we know all about you, Mr. Tyler." I usually like that every little thing doesn't always need to be spelled out, but if there's not enough explanation, or none at all, you're just left scratching your head.
I guess Tyler/Voq will now become brig-buddies with L'Rell.
And will there ever be a security officer on duty in the brig? Sometimes I think Discovery is operating with just a skeleton crew!When I watched the scene I thought there wasn't much height difference at all. Tyler was supposedly surgically shortened, yet is still "a very tall man," as Stamets pointed out in an earlier episode, and was seemingly pretty much the same height as Mirror Voq.
It's funny that now that we know for sure that Latif has played Voq from the start, it's easy to hear him now as Mirror Voq, especially with the character speaking English. He's still hard to see under all that makeup and prosthetics though.
Another question: Tyler said his mission was to infiltrate the Discovery to learn their secrets and stuff; if this is the case, then was L'Rell's claim to Cornwell that she wanted to defect just a ruse to get onto the ship, or was it legit. I'm pretty sure she really did want to get t.f. away from Kol, one way or the other.
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