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Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion

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Regarding the look of the Enterprise: Someone please correct me if I'm misremembering, but contrary to what many here were thinking, the look with the swept back nacelle struts was actually the default look of the ship in Beyond, not the NCC-1701-A we saw at the end. The rebuild Enterprise-A was again equipped with the nacelle struts swept forward.
 
The Enterprise-A looked a lot more like the original TOS Enterprise, especially the deflector dish.

Did anyone spot Cupcake? I heard he was going to be in the movie, but I didn't see him.

And what about the Lydia Wilson character, what are her origins? Was she one of Krall's original crew?
 
I saw the movie last night and I decided to sleep on it before grading. I think I'm going to give it an A-

What a wonderful, fun, fun, fun Star Trek movie. It was so good seeing the crew again, they all did a great job, especially Chris Pine. It's really wonderful to see how he's progressed from 2009.
I also loved Jaylah's character, I hope she returns for the next one.

I will definitely have to go see it again.

And what do you know

Shatner finally got his cameo in Abrams Trek. We can move on now :cool:
 
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Question. Obviously Spock's ship (from Star Trek 2009) should have had a typical computer database that had quite a bit of both scientific and historic data about what the Prime Universe was.

And of course with the picture we see that Spock didn't immediately erase everything. How much of that data do you think was destroyed by Spock? i would have assumed pretty much everything, anyone else's thoughts.
 
Question. Obviously Spock's ship (from Star Trek 2009) should have had a typical computer database that had quite a bit of both scientific and historic data about what the Prime Universe was.

And of course with the picture we see that Spock didn't immediately erase everything. How much of that data do you think was destroyed by Spock? i would have assumed pretty much everything, anyone else's thoughts.

It makes me wonder if any of the data in that box will play a role in George Kirk's return.
 
The more I think about Beyond the more I realize I need to see it again. So many nice bits and pieces throughout the movie.

I just remembered the universal translator. I really liked what they did with it.
 
I can't wait to see it hopefully this weekend but certain things to fall in line personally for me to even see it I will vote then
 
I have one question and need a feedback about this movie:

In this movie is revealed, that Krall is the former captain of the NX-ship USS Franklin, which was in action something in 2155-2161. I do not know the exact time, something in between this, because it has to be after the Enterprise but before 2161, even when it is only capable of Warp 4. So no matter of new Kelvin-timeline or old known timeline, fact is, Krall was there before Nero created the new timeline in 2233 with destroying the USS Kelvin.
My question is know:
is Krall available in the old timeline? What would happen if Captain Picard would travel to this particular nebular? Would Krall be there and attack the Enterprise-D?
 
Beyond is a really good movie, probably better than its two predecessors in terms of storytelling and characterisation. It did feel less epic, though. I keep wondering why that is.

It focussed on the characters while stying true to the feel of the previous movies, including the more or less juvenile humour. The pairing off of different characters on the planet and throughout the film worked really well for me, especially the Spock and McCoy dynamic and the respectful relationship that developed between Scotty and Jaylah. She turned out to be a great addition to the Trekverse and I hope we'll see her again in the next movie. I liked how she referred to the Franklin as her house and that she learned English from hip hop songs. I also liked that Chekov got more to do in this movie. Sadly, we won't see a continuation of that. :(

Spock saying all those bon mots about hope while injured was hilarious, yet lovable. I think that was one of the strengths of the movie - the protagonists were depicted in a loving way even if they served as comic relief at the time.

As a big ENT fan I loved the Franklin set and that we got to hear more about the early days of the Federation. Also, bonus points for "Starfleet is not a military service". :D

The thing that really resonated with me was how the film kind of depicts the situation we are in today, with Krall representing that unpredictable, irrational element in conflict with an organisation built on humanist values and coorperation. I agree that Krall wasn't depicted satisfactorily as a character but I also think that his motivation was less flimsy than that of many terrorists. And with the whole 'he used to be one of us before he became our enemy' thing there certainly is an allusion to ISIS.
The Enterprise crew wasn't sure about where they stood themselves. The scene where the ship is headed into the asteroid field, with both Kirk and Spock brooding, was quite ominous. A fitting metaphor for the current state of the world or at least the West, I feel. The movie served as a re-affirmation of Federation values but not a grand one. Kirk's reasoning while he's fighting Krall on Yorktown (better to save a life than take it) isn't exactly a praise of those values. It's not much but it's better than nothing. Which is how I feel at the moment.
 
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@Count Zero
Your review absolutely covered how I felt about the movie.

The one thing I'm surprised about was that you said it felt less epic?
I thought the destruction of the Enterprise was epic, so was Yorktown, the swarm, and the danger was epic, too.

There were fewer locations than in previous movies and less crazy flying around the galaxy from major planet to major planet... but I think the limited scope actually worked in its favor. :)
 
I have one question and need a feedback about this movie:

In this movie is revealed, that Krall is the former captain of the NX-ship USS Franklin, which was in action something in 2155-2161. I do not know the exact time, something in between this, because it has to be after the Enterprise but before 2161, even when it is only capable of Warp 4. So no matter of new Kelvin-timeline or old known timeline, fact is, Krall was there before Nero created the new timeline in 2233 with destroying the USS Kelvin.
My question is know:
is Krall available in the old timeline? What would happen if Captain Picard would travel to this particular nebular? Would Krall be there and attack the Enterprise-D?

Yes, he would be there at least up until the incursion by the narada, what about 35 or so years before this film. but after that point who knows. So many changes could've occurred that a race might have developed in that area and destroyed them that didn't happen in this universe. After all we know thanks to the Narada that Starfleet was much more aggressively expanding and exploring, most likely due from such a massive and powerful threat, that had suddenly appeared and disappeared. Without that much earlier expansion person a different major player would have got there first and made short work out of them. Who knows?
 
The one thing I'm surprised about was that you said it felt less epic?
I thought the destruction of the Enterprise was epic, so was Yorktown, the swarm, and the danger was epic, too.

The reduction in epicness is purely subjective. It's just that I was truly awed after I saw Star Trek and also after Into Darkness. That wasn't the case with Beyond even though I enjoyed the movie throughout and felt it was a really good movie.

I really want to see it again so my perception might change. I haven't yet graded the movie for that reason, either.
 
Now that the embargo is over, spoilers are fair game, so (slight) spoilers lie Beyond...


B+

I thought it was the best Trek film in a long time. It was a much more accessible film for general audiences -- you needn't have seen either of the Abrams films or be versed in Trek at all to enjoy this one. They wisely are pretending the dreadful INTO DARKNESS never happened.

The action scenes are almost disorienting they're so intense, but these scenes are balanced with loads of moments fans of TOS and ENT in particular will smile (or get emotional) at seeing. Many are subtle and won't be picked up till you've seen it a few times.

As usual Urban steals the show, and they've wisely put a lot more of him in this movie. Him sparring with Spock was a treat. I found Lin really understood what TOS is all about and this feels like a modern day remake of TOS should be like. This movie is a case of third time lucky.

I think the Jayla character will become a fan favourite. I found the villain and his motivations to be a nice little mystery to unravel. There were some beautiful moments in this movie that had me tearing up as well.

Perhaps it's more obvious to others, but I'm a little puzzled as to the motivations of the female character who lured them into the nebula. Also Kirk and Spock both wanting to quit seemed a bit unnecessary to me. Spock would've been enough, but it seems they decided to tack on an arc about Kirk perhaps to set up the fourth film?

I went into this one with minimal expectations...it was nice to walk out of a Trek movie pleasantly surprised for once. Go see it, it's a really nice 50th present to the fans. I hope this series continues under this creative team.
 
I really liked it.
Will take me second viewing to form full opinion, but I don't think it will go down at all.
I was really impressed with all the character interactions.
Kirk's crisis had echos of what Captain Pike went through in the very first pilot.

I like that the villain was basically continuing the old Trek tradition of captains/admirals going mad.
I think the alien tech he found really did a number on him. While keeping him alive it drove him completely insane, while watching what remained of his crew withering away until nothing human was left and he only felt hate.

but even when he was fully human before he felt already betrayed.
He fought in the Xindi war (how? Was he part if the MACO task force aboard the Enterprise) and as a MACO major in the Romulan war.
After MACO was dissolved and all personal got integrated into the new Federation Starfleet he was made captain of the Franklin.
An old ship, that was the first if it's kind, the first Warp 4 ship ( bit if a retconning here, makes the NX class as the first ships eith Warp 5 seem less revolutionary. Warp 3 would have done it as well), but well beyond it's glory days, just like him.
That must have felt like a punishment for him.
To serve on an old rust bucket, that no one of the "real" Starfleet captains, who fly around in NX warp 5 ships or even in Daedelud class Warp 7 ships, wants, an insult to him.
All this contributed to his warped ideas of the Federation being utterly corrupted which got twisted over the centuries into something unrecognizable.
I can understand how he ended up where he did.

That's where the movie probably loses the general audience who will be entirely unfamiliar with the necessary background to understand who he is.

I wish they found a clever way to out this exposition into the movie.
Not sure how it could have been done without giving sway the twist, taking screentime away from the crew, and grinding the pacing to a halt.

A director's cut would be greatly appreciated.
 
I found the villain to be a bit lame and things seemed to easily resolved. But I liked how everyone seemed to get something to do. Also I liked the fact that they did not make a big deal about sulu being gay.
 
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