Spoiler! DONT HATE ME! I liked FC

I remember buying Voyager books in 1995-1997. The books that I really REALLY enjoyed were: Ragnarok, Ghost of a Chance, Mosaic, Pathways, and the Spirit Walk books. In Ghost of a Chance, the book was so good that I couldn't even put it down for a minute! I adored Mosaic as well as Pathways-this book shows a different side to the characters that I've never seen before. The ending made me literally gasp for air!!! :O

I really like the Voyager books from that time. Most of them are great, some even better than the TV episodes.

My favorite is "The Black Shore" by Greg Cox. I remember when I read it the first time. It was so exciting that I couldn't stop reading it so I read it from beginning to end with only a short break to make more coffee! :)

I have re-read it a couple of times and it remains a favorite.

"Marooned" by Christie Golden and "Her Klingon Soul" by Michael Jan Friedman are two other favorites.

"Ragnarok" is actually my least favorite among the Voyager books, mostly because some of the characters are a bit out of character. Some good action though and the Hachai and the P'Nir are interesting species.

I see your point about "Ghost Of A Chance". This one is very good too.

My Voyager book reviews at: http://lynx677.110mb.com/bookreviews.html
 
Well, I've done it. I didn't win my ebay FC book, so I ordered it on Amazon for a few pennies more for a used one. Can't stand the tension anymore!

I'll be depending on sympathetic people on here for much counselling and therapy when I come to read it - it'll be at least a fortnight it's coming over the pond. Watch out for much angst from me then - there's no way once it's in the house I'll be able to leave it along til it's read!
 
Ok, here goes.

I didn't enjoy the book at all, understatement. It was an extremely painful experience. Having read through the pain of Chakotay in particular, but not just him, also Tuvok (didn't expect that - that scene really shook me up) B'Elanna (the account right at the end of the last time she saw Janeway - ouch!) and Seven - well, I now feel far worse about Janeway being killed off than I did. I was beginning to accept it, I've gone back to before square one.

So no nice healing experience for me between the covers of Full Circle.

Even though we see Chakotay beginning to heal the ending is still horribly sad, and I didn't want him to have to go through it in the first place.

It's not just Janeway though. I was fairly innocent of the events of Destiny, now I see that they've had another huge war, worse than the Dominion. It's not just Janeway's death I now feel angry with TPTB about, why have they done that to the Federation? I'd need to read the Destiny trilogy to find out more I guess. However I'm partly thinking I might just reject everything official from about the end of Voyager onwards. I didn't like the Dominion War and the dark direction trek was taking then but I tolerated it, reasoning that it was a tv show about characters in a dangerous world, but this feels like they've really pushed the boundaries to ravage things as much as possible. Before I read FC I thought a resurrection could solve everything - now I see that it can't, really.

Also the way Tom and B'Elanna had to hide the truth from anyone, and then leave their homes and remaining parents, just stank after their seven year previous exile and struggle to get home, and don't get me started on him falling out with his dad even though he got a healing letter just before the Admiral was blasted to smithereens.

It's also the way that Picard is still alive and happy with Beverly, and Riker with Deanna, despite Billions being killed they miraculously escape again. I like Picard a lot and don't want him dead, I don't like Riker. Also Sisko who I do like was miraculously restored to life by the prophets. All these Captains have been through the Dominion war and the Borg war and TPTB have chosen to make them all miraculously survive and have fulfilling lives afterwards, with the women they were messing around with for years, yet they snuff out Janeway. I don't want Picard and Sisko dead, don't care about Riker, but it just seems so unfair to Voyager fans, as has been said many times I know, but I feel it especially after reading a little bit around the events of Destiny - what are the chances?? Everyone else is killed but TPTB prevent that for the captains they choose but not my favourite.

I did like some things about the book. I loved Phoebe's speech, ironic since the spoilers for it were such a turn off for me! But I found myself shouting along with her 'Yes yes - you tell them girl!' I'm glad she and Gretchen were dealt with in their grief, Mosaic had us looking forward to Janeway being reunited with her family then they were barely mentioned in Homecoming 'Captain Janeway was hugging two women at the same time' was it then there was all that stuff about Mark's wife - I'm glad she was just given a passing mention in FC! I'm also happy about the direction Harry and Libby took.

That brings me to FC's original characters. I actually found myself liking Cambridge, and I even liked Eden and feel happy about her Captaining Voyager, which really surprises me I usually can't be bothered with new people nevermind like them and want them captaining my favourite ship! Whereas I think, dare I say it, Janeway was wrong to outrighly oppose the trip back to the DQ, Starfleet is supposed to be about exploration for pity's sake, though I can see why she didn't want that particular crew to go back there. She is and will always be my favourite character, but I think she was stupid to go to the Borg Cube even with her reasons given, she was being typically pigheaded like she has been many times before and gotten away with it. Her stubborness and imperfections are part of her charm to me, but killing her off was too much.

The Klingon stuff was ok, I'm not majorly into Klingons I have to say but I really felt for B'Elanna. I'd probably have preferred it to have remained two books. It was satisfying to think 'Ha! You're wrong!' to someone who posted a spoiler on another thread announcing their death.....

I didn't like Batiste at all I hope in Unworthy he's sucked out of an airlock as fast as possible. But that's ok I don't judge a book on whether I like absolutely everybody! He added to the drama.

The J/C stuff was beautifully done, very realistic I felt. I like the way C/7 were split up ages ago by Christie Golden so Seven's feelings weren't trampled on - I'm essentially a J/Cer post endgame but don't like Seven being vomited on or any of the other bizarre things that seem to happen in fanfic! Plus I think if J/C were to happen after so many years it would be gradual and cautious like it was in FC. Although I echoed Chakotay in thinking if it hadn't happened all this wouldn't hurt so much - to get them together to tear them apart - ouch.

I love Kirsten's writing, I really do. The J/C love scene was magnificent, Phoebe's speech, Chakotay talking to the pillar at the end for all I hated it was very well written - I'm looking forward to reading the middle string theory book, I'm halfway through the first one it got pushed aside for FC. This may sound paradoxical but it's probably because Kirsten is such a good writer that I hated it so much! All that hope followed by grief being so well portrayed.

I actually liked the way the book jumped about date wise- I think it was quite clever in the way it gave just enough info to raise suspense.

Others have said they liked it because it made Chakotay seem real and fleshed out. I would agree, but I've always liked Chakotay anyway and used my imagination to fill in the gaps when he appeared less and less onscreen. I can see why non Voyager fans are buying it and fallen away fans are returning m- it is a cracking read I suppose.

Overall, am I pleased I read it? No, not today. But I probably will be when the huge lump in my throat and sinking feeling in my stomach after reading all that grief subsides a little bit. I ended up choosing to because I wanted to know what happened, and now I do. However I'm even more unhappy than I was before with the direction Trek has taken, and will be writing to Pocket Books to tell them so. They may not listen but it might make me feel a little bit better.
 
^^^ finally got my hand on the Spirit Walk books and made me sad while reading to think that she is really gone and all these people who depend upon her so much are going to lose her. It's kind of like losing her all over again. I voted in a poll that I want her back no matter what but would really love to see Golden or Beyer do it - I really think they have the best handle on Janeway.
 
It's also the way that Picard is still alive and happy with Beverly, and Riker with Deanna, despite Billions being killed they miraculously escape again. I like Picard a lot and don't want him dead, I don't like Riker. Also Sisko who I do like was miraculously restored to life by the prophets. All these Captains have been through the Dominion war and the Borg war and TPTB have chosen to make them all miraculously survive and have fulfilling lives afterwards, with the women they were messing around with for years, yet they snuff out Janeway. I don't want Picard and Sisko dead, don't care about Riker, but it just seems so unfair to Voyager fans, as has been said many times I know, but I feel it especially after reading a little bit around the events of Destiny - what are the chances?? Everyone else is killed but TPTB prevent that for the captains they choose but not my favourite.

I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice that. Compared to the other captains Janeway has definately gotten a raw deal. :rolleyes:
 
Janeway herself probably didn't mind, she showed time and again she was prepared to die to save other people which she did, and she got her man first.

The fans such as myself, and the fictional characters who loved her, have received an extremely raw deal.

Not too sure about the whole Q thing mind you - I think Janeway got the raw deal there, who'd want to spend eternity with Q?? Whereas we the fans got the better deal, we can hope for resurrection even if it's just because it lends itself to so much potential fanfic!
 
^^^ finally got my hand on the Spirit Walk books and made me sad while reading to think that she is really gone and all these people who depend upon her so much are going to lose her. It's kind of like losing her all over again. I voted in a poll that I want her back no matter what but would really love to see Golden or Beyer do it - I really think they have the best handle on Janeway.

I've found that since I read a spoiler about Janeway's death, even watching Voy on dvd has been a struggle, I keep thinking of what will happen and it spoils it. I meant to say in my review I hated FC giving Chakotay his good memories at the end, stuff like 'her face when she saw the bathtub he made on New Earth' - that reminded me that we were talking about the death of my favourite TV character ever and will make it harder to watch those episodes again, whereas by some sense of self preservation I could shut it out a bit when reading about stuff like her death in relation to the potential DQ mission - it seemed a bit detached.

No way I'd bother with the Spirit Walk books now. I've read Homecoming and Farther Shore already, that's enough. I couldn't read them again it would be too painful.
 
The more I read about Full Circle, the more annoyed I get. I guess I don't even have to read the book to dislike it.

It's the whole scenario which has gone totally wrong. Janeway, the main character of Voyager is killed off. Then we have this bogus team which is going on an expedition to the Delta Quadrant of all places. You know, I have always wished that someone would bring together the old team (yes the real Voyager characters from the TV series) and send them on some mission. Instead we got this.

Chakotay and Seven and Janeway's out of the picture.......hmmmmm. Now that gives me a bad feeling.

And believe me, I have no interest at all to read about Chakotay's giref or Phoebe's grief or anyone else's grief when it come to Janeway. Definitely not.

And I just have to see the names of those who have replaced the real Voyager characters to get an immediate dislike of them.

Believe me, I used to like Kirsten Beyer's writing and I guess she's still good at that. But it's the whole scenario which annoys the crap out of me.

I wasn't that happy with Golden's books either, I didn't like that Nelix and Kes were out of the picture and that the crew was split up. But at least I could stand it and use that scenario as background for my own stories. But this! :eek: No, I will never accept the current direction with a dead Janeway and the whole scenario around that.

I must admit that the whole thing about Janeway being killed off has put me in a bad mood. It's the "Kes thing" all over again, now with another beloved character killed off and destroyed.

I do hope that a lot of people will join the different Janeway campaigns and that they will send in lots of letters to Pocket Books in order to make them change the current direction of the Voyager Relaunch.
 
I hated that Janeway was 'killed off' in a not-so-nice way in Before Dishonour,cuz she's one of my favorite characters.But I enjoyed Full Circle a lot,not just because of the great writing,but also because I felt that the characters were real and that they were well written (except for people like Vorik and Lasren).I knew what was going to happen to Janeway,but I still got the book because I desperately wanted to know what happened after Destiny and the Spirit Walk books,and also because I really enjoyed String Theory #2 (also written by Mrs. Beyer.)
In short,I liked FC too I really mean it. :bolian:
 
Thanks, Frazzled, for your insightful review, & Lynx for your voice of reason. I'm still of two minds whether I will read all (parts will be maybe OK) of FC (which I really wanted to do as I'm interested in all the characters of the (real) Voyager). What I have read of it does kind of make me want to read more, but, the decision to arbitrarily kill off the lead woman captain in Star Trek still turns me off so much that I still hesitate (and if that means I'm a wimp, well, so be it). I certainly will not pay for it new. And, am especially turned off (since the male captains are ok- I mean Sisko was brought back & even Kirk was brought back in a way) by the idea put forth that well, too bad, Janeway's dead, that's life, just accept it, suck it up, move on, and here's some new characters that you can like. I can take problems and strife in books, but am not sure if I want to subject myself to such tragedy and heartbreak. That's not just my idea of a good read (others can disagree, ok, just MHO). This may just be fiction, but it is unfortunately coloring much of how I feel about Trek (after supporting it for 40 years!), and I can't help but resent that TPTB wouldn't think (or didn't care) re: what such a decision would do to some or even many Voyager fans, & just plan to go ahead like it's nothing much (giving KJ a last hurrah & showing some grief not withstanding). Thanks, Gs.
 
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I know how much passion has gone into the debate over Admiral Janeway's death. I would never recommend you read Before Dishonor unless you are mostly interested in the storyline; and I am a fan of Peter David, who I think did admirably with the horrible task he was given.

But if you are interested in hope do give Full Circle a glance. It is long but satisfying. It won't bring her back but it does flesh out so much and does send Voyager back to the Delta Quad - albeit with many diff personnel.

It'll be like finally getting to know the people in the other building you never had a chnce to.

And it gave very well done add'l lines about Kim and Torres/Paris. I enjoyed it very much in spite of Janeway's death and it left me feeling like there was something great to look forward to that Janeway had begun.

And for what it's worth, the death scene in BD is not the gleeful killling rampage some make it out to be - death is death and is even more terrible in that it is someone we love - but I can't help but feel some people are coloring their description of the event with thier own spite. Shame on them.

Hate me or hate me, but I still consider myself a Voyager fan and I think the book is quite an accomplishment and worthy of the read.
I DO HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE NO VOYAGER FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Seriously how could any of you who say you are true voyager fans read shit like that. Why would you want to????

Books are sooo much deeper and emotional too. You live out what is actually happening in your own mind. You create the image however gruesome or happy.

I much rather see it unfold in front of me than read it. Feel it. Hear it in my mind playing over and over again.

Shame on you all.
 
Seriously how could any of you who say you are true voyager fans read shit like that. Why would you want to????

Books are sooo much deeper and emotional too. You live out what is actually happening in your own mind. You create the image however gruesome or happy.

I much rather see it unfold in front of me than read it. Feel it. Hear it in my mind playing over and over again.

Shame on you all.

As much as I agree with you about Janeway's death being a stupid decision and while I have no intention of reading the books please refrain from personal comments about the posters who do decide to read the books. Thanks.
 
I know how much passion has gone into the debate over Admiral Janeway's death. I would never recommend you read Before Dishonor unless you are mostly interested in the storyline; and I am a fan of Peter David, who I think did admirably with the horrible task he was given.

But if you are interested in hope do give Full Circle a glance. It is long but satisfying. It won't bring her back but it does flesh out so much and does send Voyager back to the Delta Quad - albeit with many diff personnel.

It'll be like finally getting to know the people in the other building you never had a chnce to.

And it gave very well done add'l lines about Kim and Torres/Paris. I enjoyed it very much in spite of Janeway's death and it left me feeling like there was something great to look forward to that Janeway had begun.

And for what it's worth, the death scene in BD is not the gleeful killling rampage some make it out to be - death is death and is even more terrible in that it is someone we love - but I can't help but feel some people are coloring their description of the event with thier own spite. Shame on them.

Hate me or hate me, but I still consider myself a Voyager fan and I think the book is quite an accomplishment and worthy of the read.
I DO HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE NO VOYAGER FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Alas I cannot say I hate you too. If I cared about you, perhaps . . .
 
Alas I cannot say I hate you too. If I cared about you, perhaps . . .

The above friendly applies to you too. Knock off the personal comments already. If anyone else is wondering if it also applies to them I'll tell you right now that it does.

The next personal insult in this thread gets a warning - I don't care who makes it.
 
Very well, if you insist upon reasonable, civilized, discourse I'll take another whack at it.

Sure and I'm not the Uberfan of Voyager many of you are. I consider myself a StarTrek fan who also loves Voyager as a TV show, the crew, and an idea. VS a Voyager fan who also loves StarTrek.

This won't earn me a skybox here but I appreciate the seat in your stadium. To you rabid fans of Voyager I wish to remind you it is only a TV show and a hobby for most of us here. A little moderation never hurt anyone.
 
My favorite is "The Black Shore" by Greg Cox. I remember when I read it the first time. It was so exciting that I couldn't stop reading it so I read it from beginning to end with only a short break to make more coffee! :)

I read The Black Shore recently and I quite enjoyed it. However, Janeway's characterization in that book was total crap.
 
^^^ worrisome. Black SHore is on my list of must reads because it is by Greg Cox. will have to run not walk to get my hands on it now . . .
 
Read it. IMO, the book is definitely worth reading and Janeway wasn't really the main character in the book. But the short parts she did feature in, I didn not recognize her. I don't know who that b!itch was, but it wasn't Janeway.

But that's just me. You might disagree with me. :)
 
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