I think this is a position you have made very clear... Also for those who question the editors motives, do you think that they didn't consider that all this might come about (well maybe not all of this, some of it is frankly ridiculous in my opinion, but in the interests of politeness I won't say what) but weighed the pros and cons, agonised over the decision and ultimately decided that this would become a very good story. For the matter of Kes, I have to say I don't like the way she was gotten rid of, and in my opinion Voyager could have survived as a series with one extra lead character. BUT If a person says they were not much of a fan of Voyager anyway after Kes left, then Janeway's death (more than half a decade in the Trek Timeline and a decade in the real world later) should be neither here nor there. Of course I understand that the argument is that in the relaunch there was a hope that Kes (and Neelix) would be reintroduced...but lets consider these characters for a moment.... Neelix had probably the best ending for his character. He was reunited with his people, found a true purpose and a family...the end...it practically has a nice bow on. So I don't want Neelix back, purely for the reason he now deserves to enjoy the rest of the life he has made/is making for himself. Kes...was born in 2371~~ish? anyway Voyager returns to the DQ in 2381...10 years later...we've had previous posts saying that people don't like technobabble, and people don't like super-hero-characters. Therefore Kes would have died in 2380 (at the latest, 9 years was the high end.) And if they had chosen to keep her, then I would have wanted the editors to be brave enough to allow her to live her natural life...now wait, read the rest of my post before you write that...Kes was a wonderful character because she was a commentary on the human condition, our age of innocence (childhood) is becoming ever shorter, and we live our lives so quickly...it would have sullied everything that Kes stood for to then turn around and say "oh yeah btw we made a machine that means she'll live a century" By the same token, Admiral Janeway's death was meaningful. Complain all you like about Before Dishonour (those of you who have read it) but the scene where Janeway dies is one of the best scenes PAD has written. Why? Because in that moment he got Janeway. Totally. Her drive, her ambition, her stubbornness, he got exactly what had pushed her to do this, and gave her the chance to die as she had lived her life. (Those of you who have read Before Dishonour will know exactly what I mean, those who haven't will be forced to prattle "I don't care - Janeway should live full stop (or period if you're reading this across the pond). My point exactly... Fondest Wishes JW Bonsall.