Not the after the way "Coldfire" ended.
Seven of Kes
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Oh yes, it could.
1. They could have encountered Suspiria again.
2. The good, old Doc could have come up with something.
3. It could have been solved with a little help from Q.
The possibilities are endless in a series where a dead character is resurrected, where a dead cremember have a daughter with a Romulan in an alternate future and the daughter later show up on the ship, where a crewman is killed off and replaced by a duplicate and a hologram gets an admitter from the future which makes him almost human.
She had a route home. They should have chased her down and got right up in her face.
The only interesting thing about Kes was her shortlife span. Take that away and she would become even more boring than what she was.
Not with the show being out of production or Jen Lien not being fit for the part anymore, it can't.
Fit for the apart?
You must remember, the bigger the cushion the better the pushing.
Although, when was the last time we knew about the size of her cushion?
You must remember, the bigger the cushion the better the pushing.
Although, when was the last time we knew about the size of her cushion?
I've wondered about that myself.
Why, Kes had the powers & Tuvok made a weapon.
Both would harm her.
She already believed Voyager killed her mate.
If they were beings powerful enough to destroy all life on the Ocampia home world, then anyone capable of harming them, would be someone you'd avoid. Right?
Besides, wasn't wussing out Species 8472 enough that we needed to wuss out Susperia too?
Well, I'm not that surprised since those who hate or dislike the character seem to be very fond of the short lifespan. I wonder why?
The lifespan was simply a silly mistake. Even a small kid can figure out that a species with such a short lifespan would never develope into anything else than primates. What made Kes special was her personality.
Not with the show being out of production or Jen Lien not being fit for the part anymore, it can't.
Ah, that malice, that malice. Feels gooooooooooood, I guess!
Anyway, the lifespan could easily have been prolonged during the series with the possibilities I mentioned in my previous post. Not to mention that those possibilities still exist for future books.
The comment about "Jen Lien not being fit for the part anymore" was actually rude and unnecessary. In that case, very few of the TNG, DS9 and Voyager actors are "fit for any parts" in any upcoming series.
Well, I'm not that surprised since those who hate or dislike the character seem to be very fond of the short lifespan. I wonder why?
The lifespan was simply a silly mistake. Even a small kid can figure out that a species with such a short lifespan would never develope into anything else than primates. What made Kes special was her personality.
Her personality was boring. Extremely boring.
I can see no reason why a race could not have a short lifespan so long as there was some way of them obtaining knowledge extremely quickly. This could be as a result of inherited knowledge, or being able to share knowledge telepathically, or being able to assimilate knowledge very quickly.
The Jem'Hadar were a short-lived race and I believe that the writers made them believable. The Xindi-Insectoids a were also a short-lived race.
I'm not going to bother going into a rebuttal because I know it would be pointless.Not with the show being out of production or Jen Lien not being fit for the part anymore, it can't.Oh yes, it could.
Ah, that malice, that malice. Feels gooooooooooood, I guess!
Anyway, the lifespan could easily have been prolonged during the series with the possibilities I mentioned in my previous post. Not to mention that those possibilities still exist for future books.
The comment about "Jen Lien not being fit for the part anymore" was actually rude and unnecessary. In that case, very few of the TNG, DS9 and Voyager actors are "fit for any parts" in any upcoming series.
However, I'm sure the rest of the board is well aware the Voyager is long out of production, sets torn down & clothes either on display some where, auctioned off by Tiffany's or long packed away. It's also very well known that Lien gained allot of weight and can't play Kes as she used to look, what at least 10 years ago? Not to mention Lien is also much older now too. So if getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecassary, then blame God or genetics
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Getting older and gaining weight can't be considered as rude and unnecessary.
Pointing out one, single actress when all of them are getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecessary.
I guess we both can agree that Voyager has been out of production for a couple of years and that speculation about a Voyager movie is rather meaningless since there are no plans at all for such an event.
What I was referring to was the possibility toprolong Kes's lifespan during the series which was possible and about correcting the damage made to the character in "Fury" plus prolonging her lifespan in some future Voyager book which is possible.
Pointing out one, single actress when all of them are getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecessary.
I guess we both can agree that Voyager has been out of production for a couple of years and that speculation about a Voyager movie is rather meaningless since there are no plans at all for such an event.
What I was referring to was the possibility toprolong Kes's lifespan during the series which was possible and about correcting the damage made to the character in "Fury" plus prolonging her lifespan in some future Voyager book which is possible.
I'm not sure prolonging her lifespan in the series would have felt any less like a cheat to some viewers than the way the Starfleet-Maquis tension, in the eyes of some viewers, never amounted to much.
Of course, I'm also replying to someone who's Pro-Kes bias is a matter of record. Silly me?
Of course, I'm also replying to someone who's Pro-Kes bias is a matter of record. Silly me?
I think that the Ocampan short lifespan would have been an interesting way for Trek to look at both aging and at death, as well as the value of life. However the writers were unable (or unwilling) to even begin to explore it fully. In some ways I am glad they didn't because I don't think Jennifer Lien was a good enough actress to pull it off.
The subject is Seven(Jeri Ryan) & Kes(Jen Lien), not any other actors. If the topic was about Chakotay(Robert Beltran) reprising his role, then the topic of this weight gain would have come up too. If the topic were about Brent Spiner, the subject of him physically showing his age and not being able to play Data anymore would have come up too. I have no doubt everyone is aware of this and understands sometimes weight gain and aging happens and is necassary when talking about a actor reprising a role nearly 10 years later.
I'm not sure prolonging her lifespan in the series would have felt any less like a cheat to some viewers than the way the Starfleet-Maquis tension, in the eyes of some viewers, never amounted to much.
Of course, I'm also replying to someone who's Pro-Kes bias is a matter of record. Silly me?
But it's still worth trying, isn't it?
I don't think they could have done anything more with a possible Starfleet-Maquis conflict. The Maquis were smart enough to realize that Voyager was their only ticket home and they were too few to take over the ship. Therefore, a constant Starfleet-Maquis conflict would have been highly unrealistic.
We just have to compare Voyager with Stargate Universe where the constant arguing and bickering between lame and uninteresting characters was the reason why I gave up on the series after seven episodes.
As for Kes's lifespan, prolonging it wouldn't have been worse than giving The Doc that emitter which totally changed the premise for the character.
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Star Trek is most of all about adventures and exploring, not a soap opera about death and grief. There are other series for that kind of entertainment and don't forget the daily news.
As for Jennifer Lien, she did show in many episodes that she was good enough to portray many different aspects of her character.
However, I'm more than happy that they spared us from that age and dying soap opera.
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