Seven of Kes

[teya]

Getting older and gaining weight can't be considered as rude and unnecessary.

Pointing out one, single actress when all of them are getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecessary.

Actually, both Roxann and Jeri look like they're the same weight they used to be.

 

[Lynx]

Pointing out one, single actress when all of them are getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecessary.

The subject is Seven(Jeri Ryan) & Kes(Jen Lien), not any other actors. If the topic was about Chakotay(Robert Beltran) reprising his role, then the topic of this weight gain would have come up too. If the topic were about Brent Spiner, the subject of him physically showing his age and not being able to play Data anymore would have come up too.

Still, I find that slur against Lien and her possible weight rude and unnecessary. She has proved that she can lose weight if necessary and if she should accept a role in a future Voyager movie, which I don't think she would, she could probably lose the necessary amount of kilos.

 

[Lynx]

Getting older and gaining weight can't be considered as rude and unnecessary.

Pointing out one, single actress when all of them are getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecessary.

Actually, both Roxann and Jeri look like they're the same weight they used to be.

Jeri maybe but I'm not so sure about Roxann. The last time I saw her show up in a series, she did seem to have gained some weight too.

 

[exodus]

Star Trek is most of all about adventures and exploring, not a soap opera about death and grief. There are other series for that kind of entertainment and don't forget the daily news.

Maybe to you but that's not what Gene Rodderberry plan was. He created TRek to talk about the human condition and subjects that dealt with social & political injustices. Death and grief have been topics explored many different ways from TOS straight throught to ENT. Several main and secondary characters have died in all of Trek, Kes is no exception.

 

[teya]

Miss Chicken wrote:

I think that the Ocampan short lifespan would have been an interesting way for Trek to look at both aging and at death, as well as the value of life. However the writers were unable (or unwilling) to even begin to explore it fully. In some ways I am glad they didn't because I don't think Jennifer Lien was a good enough actress to pull it off.

Star Trek is most of all about adventures and exploring, not a soap opera about death and grief. There are other series for that kind of entertainment and don't forget the daily news.

Star Trek is science fiction, and what science fiction does best is explore human issues from a different perspective. Trek has always done this, starting with TOS.


I absolutely agree with Miss Chicken. Kes's short lifespan was a perfect vehicle to explore the issues of aging and death within the scope of a series.


And Lynx? While you may view discussion of such things as a "soap opera"--which is a nifty way to denigrate fiction that explores such things and proclaiming yourself of superior taste at the same time--such issues do not have to be treated melodramatically, nor do they require use of excessive sentiment.

 

[exodus]

Pointing out one, single actress when all of them are getting older and gaining weight is rude and unnecessary.

The subject is Seven(Jeri Ryan) & Kes(Jen Lien), not any other actors. If the topic was about Chakotay(Robert Beltran) reprising his role, then the topic of this weight gain would have come up too. If the topic were about Brent Spiner, the subject of him physically showing his age and not being able to play Data anymore would have come up too.

Still, I find that slur against Lien and her possible weight rude and unnecessary. She has proved that she can lose weight if necessary and if she should accept a role in a future Voyager movie, which I don't think she would, she could probably lose the necessary amount of kilos.

You just mentioned Roxanna Dawson gaining weight.
How very hypocritical.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Guys (and I say this with great irony if you follow where I post), what does it matter how much any of them weigh? Seriously

What matters - the real meat of the question - is could Lien pull off reprising the role?

I'm with Miss Chicken on this one. I don't think she could. She wasn't steadfast in her role as Kes to begin with, IMHO, and I think she's probably super rusty at this point. I really can't see her coming back in to play a character that was on her last legs back when the show was still on the air.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kes was fine for what she was, but I think Jeri showed a profound ability to act (she nailed her Robert Picardo impression, she was spot on for her multiple personalities episode, and her character clearly showed growth emotionally despite have, basically, the same lines episode after episode). Lien never displayed that within Kes to me. She remained the soft-spoken person we met in the first season all the way through to her last episode before "Fury".

 

[exodus]

Guys (and I say this with great irony if you follow where I post), what does it matter how much any of them weigh? Seriously

Partly, because it does tie into Lien reprising the role.
For example: they tried their best during "Fury" to represent Kes/Lien as she looked when she last played the role, even though the actress herself had put on weight. If she were to reprise the role(which I agree isn't likely) they wonld most likely make har appear as we knew her inorder for the audience to recognize her. That was my only point in bringing it up......because it would have also been an issue those in charge of Trek(producers, wardrobe, etc) have to deal with.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Guys (and I say this with great irony if you follow where I post), what does it matter how much any of them weigh? Seriously

Partly, because it does tie into Lien reprising the role.
For example: they tried their best during "Fury" to represent Kes/Lien as she looked when she last played the role, even though the actress herself had put on weight. If she were to reprise the role(which I agree isn't likely) they wonld most likely make har appear as we knew her inorder for the audience to recognize her. That was my only point in bringing it up......because it would have also been an issue those in charge of Trek(producers, wardrobe, etc) have to deal with.

Okay, fair enough point. But, if they can get Jonathan Franks into a Trek uniform and not show off his mass gain, they can get Lien into that pixie outfit of hers.


... just sayin'.

 

[exodus]

Guys (and I say this with great irony if you follow where I post), what does it matter how much any of them weigh? Seriously

Partly, because it does tie into Lien reprising the role.
For example: they tried their best during "Fury" to represent Kes/Lien as she looked when she last played the role, even though the actress herself had put on weight. If she were to reprise the role(which I agree isn't likely) they wonld most likely make har appear as we knew her inorder for the audience to recognize her. That was my only point in bringing it up......because it would have also been an issue those in charge of Trek(producers, wardrobe, etc) have to deal with.

Okay, fair enough point. But, if they can get Jonathan Franks into a Trek uniform and not show off his mass gain, they can get Lien into that pixie outfit of hers.


... just sayin'.

While I see you're point, Lien has unfortunately gained much more since "Fury". Last photo I saw, considering her height and that she was about a size two during s1-3, she's got to be on the cusp of obese.
However, I do understand not every woman can help that, especially after having a child. So I am sympathic too it.
I don't see her fitting in the pixie outfit anymore.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

While I see you're point, Lien has unfortunately gained much more since "Fury". Last photo I saw, considering her height and that she was about a size two during s1-3, she's got to be on the cusp of obese.
However, I do understand not every woman can help that, especially after having a child. So I am sympathic too it.
I don't see her fitting in the pixie outfit anymore.

Okay...

This is from the 35th Anniversary Convention

http://home.silco.com/vegas/picture...Trek Convention/Voyager/Jennifer Lien - 1.JPG

Point is taken.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Speaking as a bit of a dumpling myself, first I'd still tap that, and second, who is to say that kes couldn't have gotten as big as Jen at some point during her life cycle?

Consider any pregnancy Kes would have (Yes, she only gets pregnant once.) it would have had to have been radically accelerated compared to a human being in the same state that she would have to quickly(She looked quite tiny while giving birth in Before and After.) collect the spare building materials inside her to make a baby, which is a lot of eating even across the course of months god forbid weeks or days.

 

[Lynx]

Malice is eternal!

And being a fan of Kes isn't easy, to say the least. Everything which can be used against the character is constantly shoved in our faces.

Anyway, who cares? There will never be a Voyager movie, unless they come up with some crappy "re-make" about 30 years in the future. Hopefully, the trend with "re-makes" are gone then.

So pointing out that certain characters can't be in some Voyager movie because of weight gain is rather pointless.

Voyager will live on in fanfiction, re-runs of the old episodes and maybe in books (if those who are currently in charge will realize that they are on the wrong track).

 

[Guy Gardener]

If the entire (living) cast of Gilligans island can have a reunion on the set of ALF, or some of the cast not to much longer on a very special episode of Baywatch... hells, if most of the cast of Night Court can be gathered to film the final episode of Night court during an episode of 30 rock... ANYTHING is possible.

Something kooky is going to happen some day.

 

[DonIago]

If the VOY novels are on the wrong track (and I haven't read them, but I have a vague understanding that the current track is more well-regarded than the earlier track), what is the right track?

Saying "Bring Kes back" will automatically discredit your opinion, btw. Unless there's a suitably major explanation for her return.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You mean how they pulled a Coy and Vance Hazzard on us?

 

[Lynx]

If the VOY novels are on the wrong track (and I haven't read them, but I have a vague understanding that the current track is more well-regarded than the earlier track), what is the right track?

Saying "Bring Kes back" will automatically discredit your opinion, btw. Unless there's a suitably major explanation for her return.

What they should do in the first place is to bring back Janeway who they killed of for some stupid reason.

Then they could bring back Kes, Neelix and Tuvok too.

The Voyager books should be about the Voyager crew we saw in the serie, not about replacement characters.

 

[DonIago]

In other words...what...they should put the Voyager continuity in an alternate timeline where they never returned home and Kes never left? (confused)

Seriously, I was hoping for a bit more than just "put everything back the way it was"...like, how they would credibly do so.

 

[exodus]

The under lying motivation behind doing that would be profit.
Character's like Neelix & Kes aren't big enough fan favorites.
Due to it, there's no profit to be made from them.
So a writer or publisher isn't going to print a story they don't feel they get a return on. It costs money to print a book. A company has to make that money back from the books sales.

 

[Lynx]

In other words...what...they should put the Voyager continuity in an alternate timeline where they never returned home and Kes never left? (confused)

Seriously, I was hoping for a bit more than just "put everything back the way it was"...like, how they would credibly do so.

Not exactly.

They could have Voyager and it's crew as some sort of Elite Force in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants where they could be assigned to certain important or dangerous missions. All that would take place some time after "Endgame". Of course it would be possible to include Kes, Neelix and Tuvok in the crew as well.

exodus wrote:

The under lying motivation behind doing that would be profit.
Character's like Neelix & Kes aren't big enough fan favorites.
Due to it, there's no profit to be made from them.
So a writer or publisher isn't going to print a story they don't feel they get a return on. It costs money to print a book. A company has to make that money back from the books sales.

But in that case, why are they including characters like Rand, Chekov, Uhura, Nurse Chapel LaForge, Nog, Rom, Jake Sisko and some others in the books? They aren't as popular as Spock, Kirk, Picard, Kira and Riker.

And I do think that the Voager fans rather read about Neelix, Tuvok and Kes than characters who weren't in the TV series.