True, but for argument's sake, I'm sure they would have done just fine with Torres and Vorik.
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True, but for argument's sake, I'm sure they would have done just fine with Torres and Vorik.
True, but for argument's sake, I'm sure they would have done just fine with Torres and Vorik.
What they wouldn't have had was a redshirt that keeps coming back from the dead.
I guess that's one more promotion Lt. Carey gets passed up for.
True, but for argument's sake, I'm sure they would have done just fine with Torres and Vorik.
Every other engineer had enough peronality to prefer to be a sexfightpetslave of the Hirogen rather than collaborate by keeping their torture machine oiled and bristol fashion.
Was harry the first one they asked to be their monkey, or did B'Elanna, Vorrik, Seven and Carey all tell their new masters to go screw themselves first before Harry accepted the position as scab labour?
Sure he did it to save lives, but his job, which Janeway has preformed quite well several times, is to kill every one rather than to allow continued suffering.
Was harry the first one they asked to be their monkey, or did B'Elanna, Vorrik, Seven and Carey all tell their new masters to go screw themselves first before Harry accepted the position as scab labour?
Sure he did it to save lives, but his job, which Janeway has preformed quite well several times, is to kill every one rather than to allow continued suffering.
but in the Omega Directive, harry turned out to be an unreliable and pathetic drone who did not respect the chain of command or forecast that any freethinking on his part would bollocks up all the other activities being undertook by the other drones in his collective. In the works he was a spanner, nothing short of a complete tool.
Seven demoted him.
GO SEVEN!!!
Voyagers writers were not going to write a GROWING/GROWN up Kes, who was easily going to be just as technically competent as Seven or Harry after the shortest of educations, collecting skills and talents like an eagle scout, so it was easily worth it to trade a girl hostage for a woman action hero.
Seven demoted him.
GO SEVEN!!!
Voyagers writers were not going to write a GROWING/GROWN up Kes, who was easily going to be just as technically competent as Seven or Harry after the shortest of educations, collecting skills and talents like an eagle scout, so it was easily worth it to trade a girl hostage for a woman action hero.
Only issue with that is, basing someones work ethic & content of character on one day out of 7 years.
i liked both characters but seven was much better. seven was the 1st borg to be made human again and it was a great story line. i thought it was a good trade kes was a good character as well, but the change made voyager better.
Well just to nit pick, Picard was the first borg made back to human, but I guess Seven was a borg for longer (her childhood) and thus, bringing her back to humanity was more of a feat.
That and unlike Picard, Seven had to learn to fear the Borg while Picard had to learn to over come his fear of them.
Picard wasn't afraid of the Borg. Well as an enemy sure, but i gathered that he was more ashamed of his actions as Locutus than he was scared of being assimilated again form what I saw in TNG Family.
Using the assimilation is rape Analogy, it gets really weird, if you account that Seven and Picard to some degree enjoyed being ASSIMILATED, and ADORED being Drones and part of them CRAVED to be reassimilated so they could be part of something greater and more perfect once again, because when they were Borg they had been trained into thinking that it was WONDERFUL and they DIDN'T want it to stop and they had complete recollection of those memories of being BLISSFULLY Borg.
Using the assimilation is rape Analogy, it gets really weird, if you account that Seven and Picard to some degree enjoyed being ASSIMILATED, and ADORED being Drones and part of them CRAVED to be reassimilated so they could be part of something greater and more perfect once again, because when they were Borg they had been trained into thinking that it was WONDERFUL and they DIDN'T want it to stop and they had complete recollection of those memories of being BLISSFULLY Borg.
I cannot say. Both characters have their merits, though it took me a little longer to see the good in Kes' character.
Seven was great during season four and five. But at the time of season seven (ironically?) her character had become something I did not like; a sudden expert of human nature. Please.
Seven was great during season four and five. But at the time of season seven (ironically?) her character had become something I did not like; a sudden expert of human nature. Please.
Only issue with that is, basing someones work ethic & content of character on one day out of 7 years.
But there was only one day in his life where he was asked to be a drone.
The perfect irony of it is that when he is expected to be an individual, he is a drone, and when he is expected to be a drone, he is an individual.
Only issue with that is, basing someones work ethic & content of character on one day out of 7 years.
But there was only one day in his life where he was asked to be a drone.
The perfect irony of it is that when he is expected to be an individual, he is a drone, and when he is expected to be a drone, he is an individual.
Lack of character growth will do that to you.
I picked other. I like both characters. It would have been nice to see Kes explore a little more, that's why she left her home and asked to ride along with the crew. I always enjoyed her child-like curisity, it reminded me of Data. She wasn't afraid to open a door so see what was on the otherside. I like watching Seven embrace her humanity, learning things she should have learned as a child. Simple situations could make her so uncomfortable. I think sometimes she came across as a little too much 'As I was a Borg-I-know-more-than-anyone'. I enjoyed Jennifer and Jeri's portrayal of their character's.
Yes.
Had they dumped B'Elanna for Seven, I would have voted NO!
Had they dumped B'Elanna for Seven, I would have voted NO!
Do you think the trade off for Kes for Seven was worth it?!
Yes, because Seven was so much better developed than just about every other character besides the Doctor. She shook things up and improved the characters around her. The show needed conflict that only an evil Kess storyline would have created if she had stayed.
What I would have preferred them to do though was kill off Kim and keep both Kes and Seven.
I can't even comprehend them dumping B'Elanna. That just would have been the wierdiest worst dicision ever.
I think it was good. Kes's fast aging could have complicated things.... Plus there wouldn't have been any J/7 or B/7 fanfics :P
The aging was no issue. According to what we saw in "Cold Fire", her lifespan could have been prolonged.
Anyway, now we have Kes fanfic instead!
http://lynx677.110mb.com/Kesstories.html
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