One element, character or storyline you'd remove...
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and lose such episodes as...
Twilight
Yesterdays Enterprise
Year of Hell
I think not
I don't understand why people don't like Vic. I know the style of music isn't to everyone's liking, although i personally enjoyed it.
I suppose if I were to take anything out, or atleast alter them, it would be the time travel eps. They are a handful of headaches to really figure out.
I suppose if I were to take anything out, or atleast alter them, it would be the time travel eps. They are a handful of headaches to really figure out.
So a naturally occurring creature made of photons that happened to infest a computer system and give rise to a completely unrelated consciousness that more or less acted like a human being is more believable than a program that was specifically designed for sapience and to act like a human being?
Yes. Actually the author who wrote that story presented it much better than I ever could. It seemed to me that Vic was another sentient hologramatical character, and personally, I have a problem with people just creating new life as simply as programming a computer. That's just my thing.
That, and really any holodeck-centered story, where something goes wrong with the tech.
If that technology hasn't been tested better for field use, it shouldn't be installed on starships.
and lose such episodes as...
Twilight
Yesterdays Enterprise
Year of Hell
I think not
Year of Hell would have been a lot better had they not used the Reset Button. But that's an old argument.
I always kind of liked Vic, am I the only one who wonders why he wasn't constantly smoking?
During the Dominion War episodes Star Fleet all at once had tens of thousands of ships.
Section thirty-one, just makes me grit my teeth.
Ezri Dax, I thought it would of been more interesting, story wise, if Dax had come back as a male character.
Beverly and Deanna in jumpsuits, should on been in the same costume Andrea wore in "What are little girls made of", especially Deanna.
Joe Piscopo on the holodeck.
During the Dominion War episodes Star Fleet all at once had tens of thousands of ships.
Section thirty-one, just makes me grit my teeth.
Ezri Dax, I thought it would of been more interesting, story wise, if Dax had come back as a male character.
Beverly and Deanna in jumpsuits, should on been in the same costume Andrea wore in "What are little girls made of", especially Deanna.
Joe Piscopo on the holodeck.
I'm not sure what you mean by this one?
Taking the holodoc in completely the wrong direction. The overarching problem is that they ended up tying too much of his identity up in "being a hologram." In reality, he was a massively complex AI, far more so than any other Federation AI other than Data, whose unique nature and complexity were tied to his physical positronic design. The doctor was just another program running in the ship's ordinary computer.
At first they handled it well and acknowledged this. I seem to remember one ep where the doctor nearly "died" because he had been running too long and "filled up his hard drive."
One thing I suspected from the beginning that the writers were planning to pull was to somehow make the Doctor become more sentient and more Data-like by having Voyager's experimental organic gel-pack computers start to grow and become alive. The Doctor would then become the personality of a living Voyager. In fact, I figured this was the plan because there was no other compelling reason for mentioning the Bio-Neural gel packs so much. This would have been a great story starter, and would also have made the doctor's growth as a character make sense.
Instead, they went a different way and focused not on the software, but on the hardware of the doctor as a "hologram," which could mean a visual projection, or artificial solid matter, or force fields or something. This got even worse when he got the mobile emitter, and then got downright silly when they started doing stories on getting equal rights for, not AI, but for "holograms." It made me wonder if was wrongfully imprisoning some old National Geographic covers.
At first they handled it well and acknowledged this. I seem to remember one ep where the doctor nearly "died" because he had been running too long and "filled up his hard drive."
One thing I suspected from the beginning that the writers were planning to pull was to somehow make the Doctor become more sentient and more Data-like by having Voyager's experimental organic gel-pack computers start to grow and become alive. The Doctor would then become the personality of a living Voyager. In fact, I figured this was the plan because there was no other compelling reason for mentioning the Bio-Neural gel packs so much. This would have been a great story starter, and would also have made the doctor's growth as a character make sense.
Instead, they went a different way and focused not on the software, but on the hardware of the doctor as a "hologram," which could mean a visual projection, or artificial solid matter, or force fields or something. This got even worse when he got the mobile emitter, and then got downright silly when they started doing stories on getting equal rights for, not AI, but for "holograms." It made me wonder if was wrongfully imprisoning some old National Geographic covers.
^That gets to the heart of the problem with the Doctor--and, really, Voyager as a whole. Complete and utter thoughtlessness.
You could get rid of the following for me:
1. Holodecks.
2. Counselor Troi (or at least get an actress who can, you know, ACT!).
3. Similar to 2, airlock Freighter Boy from ENT... or put a real actor/actress there and DO SOMETHING with the basic idea/premise behind the character, rather than just have him/her sit there and grin. There was some good stuff there, story-wise.
Cheers,
-CM-
1. Holodecks.
2. Counselor Troi (or at least get an actress who can, you know, ACT!).
3. Similar to 2, airlock Freighter Boy from ENT... or put a real actor/actress there and DO SOMETHING with the basic idea/premise behind the character, rather than just have him/her sit there and grin. There was some good stuff there, story-wise.
Cheers,
-CM-
I don't know what T'Girl personally means by the section 31 comment, but I know a lot of people felt that S31 screwed with their idea of the federations "Perfect and uncorrupted society"
That's exactly what was great about that storyline.
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What do you mean?
When was it stated they didn't have that many before the war?
@You_Guyz Why could there be 50 galaxy class starships by the mid 2370s when they have been around for fifteen years?
But would you have been okay with it, if the Doctor had been a DS9 character and everything about him was the same?
They didn't do this "Voyager becoming alive" thing because it wouldn't have added to the show really other than a "the ship's alive, so now what?" background plot and would've been too much like TNG's "Emergence". Having the Doc be an intelligence unto himself separated him from that sort of plot, because otherwise they'd have to deal with the prospect of all Fed CPU's becoming sentient. They didn't want to deal with that sort of thing.
Though, to be fair I would remove the whole "racism against Photonic lifeforms" stuff like the Lokirrim and the renegade holograms stuff from that Hirogen episode.
I personally didn't like Section 31 because it was just adding a generic "Oh there's a secret bad conspiracy within the Feds" plot to a series that didn't need it.
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But I don't think that the Federation was ever meant to be perfect, just better than our own. There's a difference between an advanced civilization and utopia.
And even if 24th century Earth was a utopia, remember that STAR TREK is set on "the final frontier"--where things are bound to be a bit less civilized.
You do realise that no one's ever going to say "yes" to that question?
Holodeck. Honestly, I thought it was a cheap way to make non-science fiction episodes in a science fiction show. Want some murder-mystery? Throw it into the holodeck!
Also replicators. I don't mind them for food, but in VOY, for example, ridiculous things could be formed from basically nothing. Also a copout.
Also replicators. I don't mind them for food, but in VOY, for example, ridiculous things could be formed from basically nothing. Also a copout.
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