Lt.Kyle

[Dar70]

I really hope not. Repackaging familiar characters is very limiting on creativity, one has to stay within the perimeters already set for the chatacter. Also it creates unnecessary points of comparison with original and discussions on canon deviation.

It's a little to late for that. Honestly they may as well just redo the entire TOS 5 year mission and I'm sure they will do the two years we never saw.. They could have went a different way with Trek but they decided to do all prequels. Except for Picard..

The production on SNW is really good though. . The episodes are not bad. Pacing is better. But tbh Trek didnt get a big enough break. They should have let it rest for 10-15 years and than did a complete reboot.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm really glad they didn't do a complete reboot. This is a franchise that supports retelling the same sorts of stories with a brand new cast playing brand new characters as much as you want and it's easy to stay out of continuity's way just by... going somewhere new. They don't need to reboot Kirk and Spock over and over because people are more than happy to have interesting new characters like Jurati, Boimler and Other Kyle.

 

[Phoenix219]

They're already brining on Kirk in this season's finale and for season two, it's 100% inevitable the entire TOS cast will appear soon.

Then they really need to just declare it a reboot and have a clean slate. If not, I don't see much of the point, other than completely incompatible aesthetics and story beats.

If it walks like a reboot, and talks like a reboot, then.....

 

[Jayson1]

I really hope not. Repackaging familiar characters is very limiting on creativity, one has to stay within the perimeters already set for the chatacter. Also it creates unnecessary points of comparison with original and discussions on canon deviation.

I think many of them will just be guest spots at best. I feel they need to address Boyce. KIrk I think they have already plan to be a semi-regular maybe next season. I could see Hemmer turning the engine room over to Scotty in the final season. Sulu being a semi-regular in final season. Bones a guest spot. Chekov perhaps if we see the Academy. Rand who I forgot to mention also maybe being in final season. Colt and Tyler some point when they need to involve another Starfleet ship or base which can be their current posting. Be fun if we did find our TOS Tyler and SNW's Tyler were indeed a married couple. I mean why not.

 

[Jayson1]

I'm really glad they didn't do a complete reboot. This is a franchise that supports retelling the same sorts of stories with a brand new cast playing brand new characters as much as you want and it's easy to stay out of continuity's way just by... going somewhere new. They don't need to reboot Kirk and Spock over and over because people are more than happy to have interesting new characters like Jurati, Boimler and Other Kyle.

Me to but we also know what the Enterprise will be like into the future. I think they will sprinkle that into the show. In away they may even play it as a bad thing. The closer the future becomes what we know it will be the closer PIke gets to his bleak future. I could see PIke and KIrk for example not getting along next year because Pike knows KIrk will someday replace him as Captain and the fact KIrk is already showing up means he can start feeling his fate slowly closing in on him.

 

[Saumyajit]

I'm really glad they didn't do a complete reboot. This is a franchise that supports retelling the same sorts of stories with a brand new cast playing brand new characters as much as you want and it's easy to stay out of continuity's way just by... going somewhere new. They don't need to reboot Kirk and Spock over and over because people are more than happy to have interesting new characters like Jurati, Boimler and Other Kyle.

Exactly. It's lazy and kind of going for the low hanging fruit because yeah, you will always have an audience for Kirk, Spock etc no matter what. But to take the franchise to the next stage we need new iconic characters that every show introduced before - Data, Worf, Garak, Quark, Seven, Holographic doctor. Even ENT had Shran and Phlox who made their mark.

Discovery had its shortcomings for me, but at least one thing it did was create new characters who the audience could get to know. If along woth Spock and Pike, Kirk too becomes a regular occurence not sure how much scope will remain in 10 episode seasons to develop other new characters in a meaningful way.

 

[Captain Crow]

This show, like several of the other shows and movies in this franchise, has a "Based Upon" credit.

"Based Upon" ≠ exact version of.

This Lt. Kyle is ST: SNW's version of the same character from ST: TOS and ST: TAS (which didn't match their ST: TOS version). Just like Pike, Una, Spoke, Uhura, April, M'Benga, and Chapel are SNW's versions of characters from previous Trek stuff.

 

[Skipper]

I could not possibly care less whether's he's Irish, Asian or an intelligent giraffe.

NOW I want an intelligent giraffe on the bridge!!!

 

[brandnewfan]

Is the character of Lt. Kyle played by Asian actor Andre Dae Kim in this series supposed to be the same character from the original series?. If so, how are we explaining that canonically?. Are we still kidding ourselves on that this is set in the same timeline as TOS?

SNW is set in the same timeline as TOS.

Why are both Kyle's the same character? That hasn't been established, and they could be two completely different characters.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Husbands?

 

[Mudd]

Then they really need to just declare it a reboot and have a clean slate.

• They don't need to.
• They won't.
• It isn't.

 

[cooleddie74]

NOW I want an intelligent giraffe on the bridge!!!

Gazelle or I'm boycotting.

 

[fireproof78]

The one who isn't a spikey alien.

Hmmm...how do you know?

 

[ichab]

That's not really an argument. "He had a right to advance his agenda" is just another way of saying, "It wasn't illegal." That's not the issue. This issue is, people adapting his work today do not have an obligation to advance Ian Fleming's social agenda.

If a writer doesn't feel an obligation to respect what an author has written down then that writer should keep his hands off said material and write his own story.

Nah. They should have the freedom to reinterpret and recontextualize and change the work they're adapting. Works that don't get to evolve over time are works that stop getting made and lie forgotten by the public.

Nah. The series has evolved just fine for the last 60 years even with the cold war ending a long time ago. No other movie franchise can say that so they have not been "forgotten."

1) So, being anything other than a straight and white is the "total opposite" of who James Bond is? Whiteness and straightness are intrinsic to who he is as a character? Interesting take.

If you have to ask that question then you never read the novels and are completely out of your element on this subject, Fleming was VERY specific on who James Bond was and him being straight was very much a part of his character.

2) Sure you are! You're making visible a community that used to be invisible, and you're taking an icon of heroism and saying, "This icon of heroism belongs to your community as well, not just to the white/straight community." That absolutely advances equality.

Interesting how you left this part of my statement out....

No Time To Die had a black woman playing Nomi as secret agent 007 and showed that Q was a homosexual. None of these developments were a contradiction of what Fleming wrote as Nomi was a new character and the character of Q was never in the novels. Thankfully the custodians of the series aren't lacking in creativity.

You got your non white heroic secret agent with the same code name and a homosexual who does very important work for James Bond. If that's not good enough for you then too bad. Write your own gay character super agent. Stop trying to ruin an established franchise.

And with that I'm done on this subject. Back to Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

No franchise is ruined.

 

[Saumyajit]

SNW is set in the same timeline as TOS.

Why are both Kyle's the same character? That hasn't been established, and they could be two completely different characters.

If there can be two unrelated major characters both called Noonien, neither of whom look remotely Asian , we shouldn't really split hairs over Kyle.

 

[cooleddie74]

Again, T'Pau changed appearances twice between 1967 and 2005. She even became an Asian woman at one point. Kyle might not even be the same person as in TOS but even if he were we've been to this dance before.

 

[Yistaan]

I do find it a bit odd because I don't like the Asian Kyle situation as an Asian myself and would've preferred a character with a different name (to clarify this isn't TOS Kyle) or making the character into Sulu. Is this something Asians are pushing for or is it something that's being done for us as far as representation? Because chucking the Asian guy to just being in the transporter and naming him a minor TOS character (instead of like I said the major TOS character Sulu) is not my idea of Asian male representation unless Kyle is going to get massive more screen time in the future.

I remember, being disabled myself with hearing problems, and getting accused of being an ableist on this very forum because I suggested that Detmer have her implant injuries completely cured upon her arrival into the future. Between this and Kyle, I'm becoming concerned that the push for diversity in our media is being done for us minorities and in our name without, you know, actually consulting minority members and asking us if this is how we want to be represented. I'm not concerned about the push for diversity but how it's seemingly thoughtlessly done to check off some boxes and seemingly without actually engaging minority members and asking them what they want to see.

 

[Skipper]

Gazelle or I'm boycotting.

Everybody knows that the Intelligent Giraffe was in the True Roddenberry's Vision ™, but unfortunately TPTB's myopia did not allow it!

 

[fireproof78]

Or they just hired the best actor who happened to be Asian.