Lt.Kyle
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One of the Kyles: No relation.
Let the ships begin.
First suggested in "Star Trek Mysteries... Solved!" article series in the "Best of Trek" volumes, IIRC, and adopted by several fanzines, novels and comics.
"Mr. Kyle...you look...different."
"You probably don't recognize me because of the red arm."
"You probably don't recognize me because of the red arm."
You are over-thinking this. It's supposed to be a playful little tip-of-the-hat. An Easter Egg for the hardcore fans to chuckle at for two seconds and then get on with the story.
The problem is that Ian Fleming wrote James Bond as white in order to advance a social agenda, too. Any choice you make will advance a social agenda, so why not make the social agenda you advance one of equality?
"His first name's 'Agent.' "
It was always the Klingon Empire. Empires are usually made up of a people and those they conquered. TOS Klingons changed complexion each time we saw them!
They looked exactly like the ones sketched for "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", even down to the uniforms and the fingers.
Early design for the Klingon Captain by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Early design for Star Trek: The Motion Picture's Klingon Captain by Robert Fletcher. (First published in Starlog #33, April 1980.)
Have you met fandom?
I recall Alicia Masters becoming African American in "The Fantastic Four" movies. The actor was excellent, but for me, I remembered the first time I had met the character in the comics and she was forced by her father, The Puppet Master, to take Sue Storm's place in a bizarre plot... when he realised that his blind daughter was a dead ringer for the blonde, caucasian Invisible Girl. So it meant that the movies were unlikely to revisit that comic story, even though many other plots threads were coming from the comics.
When the series was rebooted, Michael B. Jordan took over as Johnny Storm/Human Torch!
Ok, on a technicality, the FF films are not "Marvel Universe" films. As for the Marvel Universe films themselves, hasn't Samuel L. Jackson been portraying caucasian comic book hero, Nick Fury?
The only times it has really annoyed me:
* Ensign Ro changing her Bajoran nose appliance in her final onscreen appearance.
* The ever-changing number of remaining shuttlecraft on hand, and Voyager's crew compliment in "Star Trek: Voyager".
* Valtane still being alive after we saw him get killed in "Flashback". And the changing of the time period between the explosion of Praxis and the mission to the peace conference (between ST VI and "Flashback").
I just figured this Kyle was like the brother or husband of the other Kyle. No big deal.
The STD Klingon makeup was terribly designed, simply because it interfered with expression and speech to the point that decent performances were impossible. Most of them might as well have been wearing rubber masks.
The same designer did quite a variety of possible takes on the Klingons for STID, and one was actually used in that film, so the bad decision to go with this awful version needs to be laid at the feet of the producers rather than the artists involved.
The same designer did quite a variety of possible takes on the Klingons for STID, and one was actually used in that film, so the bad decision to go with this awful version needs to be laid at the feet of the producers rather than the artists involved.
There already was a black Nick Fury (who looked exactly like Jackson) in Marvel‘s Ultimate line since 2001.
The DSC Klingon makeup was pure garbage and didn't even remotely improve for at least a year.
Forgive me, as always I’m a week behind in reading this thread, but:
Quite so, shrill complaints are the fire in which we burn.
This is true. Even if it wasnt it still ok because the mcu movie continuity was just starting and Samual Jackson was the first person to play him in that universe. Now if they went and recast Fury later as a caucasian. Yeah.....I'm gonna have an issue with that.
Sulu was already on the ship as a staff physicist by 2265. Transporters involve quantum physics so...yeah, that could have worked.
Hahaha
Have we not observe fandom over the past decade(+) on the Internet?
Sulu would have worn a gold shirt, a blue shirt and now a red shirt?
Which he had a right to do as he was the author of the story. Writers coming along 60 years later should write their own stories and characters if they want to advance a different agenda.
You're not advancing equality when you try and change iconic characters like James Bond into something that is the total opposite of who they are. You're only showing a complete lack of creativity. No Time To Die had a black woman playing Nomi as secret agent 007 and showed that Q was a homosexual. None of these developments were a contradiction of what Fleming wrote as Nomi was a new character and the character of Q was never in the novels. Thankfully the custodians of the series aren't lacking in creativity.
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