Lt.Kyle

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Attentiveluke, Apr 2, 2022.

  1. Attentiveluke

    Attentiveluke Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Is the character of Lt. Kyle played by Asian actor Andre Dae Kim in this series supposed to be the same character from the original series?. If so, how are we explaining that canonically?. Are we still kidding ourselves on that this is set in the same timeline as TOS?
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

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    Don’t care. Just hope that the show is entertaining.
     
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  3. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Maybe, not enough context to know for sure either way yet.
    Don't care.
    You do what you got to to sleep at night.
     
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  4. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'm not kidding myself.
    I just accept that it's probably not the same character and Yes, SNW has many aspects that are a retcon of TOS while still considered the Prime Timeline.
     
  5. starfleettanner

    starfleettanner Commander Red Shirt

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    THAT was Kyle? Uh...okay, I could SAY many things about that, but I think it might lead into uncomfortable territory so I'm going to let it go. Just leave it be and accept it for what it is...lets not push THAT issue.
     
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  6. NewHeavensNewEarth

    NewHeavensNewEarth Commodore Commodore

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    You could start a campaign called "Make Kyle White Again" (MKWA), or just enjoy the show.
     
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  7. Ray Hardgrit

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    Kyle had so little presence in the Original Series that even if he is intended to be the same guy there's nothing the writers can do to prove it, so you can believe whatever you want.

    I'd definitely care if they changed Spock, Uhura, Chapel, M'Benga, Number One or Pike, but personally Kyle as a character is below the threshold of me giving much of a damn. Maybe the dude eventually got plastic surgery to become Caucasian, whatever, it's the future.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    Yes, I am.
     
  9. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Commodore Commodore

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    I've given up being mad about them changing ethnicity of non main characters..
    But in this instance if they are saying it is Kyle, with Kyle being nobody, could have named him Anything.. Lt. Kuan or Kim or basically any name and it be the same character. Why rub anyone the wrong way when you don't have to?
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    I was hoping for Kim so he could be an ancestor of Harry Kim. You know, really double down on small universe.
     
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  11. Attentiveluke

    Attentiveluke Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I’m not bothered that they have added an Asian Character since all the new crew members are non white, I’m only concerned on how he swapped race in canon. Nutrek is terrible at staying true to canon I’m just wondering how they will explain it away....
     
  12. Paul755

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    I think this and Discovery are both alternate universes (jury out on Picard) and have been from the second we saw how advanced looking the Shenzouh was.

    but you know, there is nothing wrong with it either way. However you want to enjoy the show. I don’t want to argue either way.

    as for Kyle here, how do we know it’s supposed to be the same character. Kyle is a fairly common name.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    It doesn't require explanation in a society where you can be surgically altered on a whim for a undercover operation.
     
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  14. Attentiveluke

    Attentiveluke Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    He’s manning the transporters on the original Enterprise
    Who else has surgically altered their appearance on Star Trek using that method other than a spy?. And changing their entire skin colour...
     
  15. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No one...yet.

    My point is that character ethnicity is not something I hold on to as canon. It's a character, and actors get recast. It doesn't make it not canon or require an explanation.
     
  16. Attentiveluke

    Attentiveluke Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Would Uhura being cast as Caucasian required an explanation?
     
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  17. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Not for me, no. Others, probably so.

    More to the point, small changes are not canon violation. They are just changes, like uniform changes.
     
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  18. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

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    They are continuity changes/violations. How much they bother someone is up to each individual. Though I do wonder why they would recast Kyle (if that is what they are doing) when they could just create a new character? Is there a dedicated stronghold of Kyle fans demanding he be brought back?
     
  19. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's Star Trek. Of course there is.
     
  20. XCV330

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    one actor replaced another for a role that was extremely minor in the past. WTF even remembers Kyle besides major show fans.

    nice try. taking a role that had been previously given to minority actors to a white actor is problematic, and either you don't understand why or are trying to turn a few sparks into a fire.