I like it when characters switch department, it should happen more often!
Lt.Kyle
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Who is?
Stunningly being realized by Mahé Thaissa in The Roddenberry Archive Project.
https://trekmovie.com/2022/05/04/th...tes-sets-from-first-star-trek-pilot-the-cage/
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...-life-size-holodeck-simulation-301538908.html
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Oh, that's fascinating.
It'll be at 26 soon if people keep dropping by to comment on that!
Also after two episodes we've all learned that Other Kyle is great and deserves 25 pages. Sometimes having two Kyles is better than one!
Also after two episodes we've all learned that Other Kyle is great and deserves 25 pages. Sometimes having two Kyles is better than one!
What keeps it alive is the mystery. People must know the answer before they can move on. Only when the truth is revealed can the denial and head canon process begin to take hold creating a level acceptance that all Trek does indeed exist in the same universe and is interconnected.
Perhaps, but it all could have been avoided if they stopped pretending we are in the TOS timeline. A real reboot would have gone a long way here in terms of managing expectations, and reactions to changes.
Personally, I had head-canoned away all the visual and technological differences via time travel butterflies and temporal wars, but the complete changing of characters DNA is not so easy.
Personally, I had head-canoned away all the visual and technological differences via time travel butterflies and temporal wars, but the complete changing of characters DNA is not so easy.
We are.
People just have to get over that.
Characters don't have "DNA."
And, BTW, they're "pretending" all the time.
Trek's been nothing but fiction from the start. Fiction created by an uncounted number of people over nearly 58 years. That's why the Kyle stuff and the whole "this isn't scientifically plausible so it ruins the episode for me" arguments are sort of, well, dead ends.
They're dead ends because no one's going to give ground, because people have different brains and appreciate things in different ways for different reasons.
Oh, trust me, I fight my own Quixotic battles from time to time. I like what I like, am unapologetic about it and just learn to keep my mouth shut about some issues and let other people have their happiness. The world's a mess and some hills aren't worth dying on and dragging others onto.
I'm just gradually becoming less and less likely to engage in as many of said battles.
I'm just gradually becoming less and less likely to engage in as many of said battles.
That's not really an argument. "He had a right to advance his agenda" is just another way of saying, "It wasn't illegal." That's not the issue. This issue is, people adapting his work today do not have an obligation to advance Ian Fleming's social agenda.
Nah. They should have the freedom to reinterpret and recontextualize and change the work they're adapting. Works that don't get to evolve over time are works that stop getting made and lie forgotten by the public.
1) So, being anything other than a straight and white is the "total opposite" of who James Bond is? Whiteness and straightness are intrinsic to who he is as a character? Interesting take.
2) Sure you are! You're making visible a community that used to be invisible, and you're taking an icon of heroism and saying, "This icon of heroism belongs to your community as well, not just to the white/straight community." That absolutely advances equality.
Not to be that guy but the DNA difference between Andre Dae Kim and John Winston is probably no greater than between Anson Mount and Jeffrey Hunter. Race and ethnicity are social constructs. There are no Asian genes or Black genes or White genes, no matter what those 23 & Me or Ancestry people might imply.
There was a time when recasting meant actually getting actors who resembled the character in question and making some attempt to resemble them in hair, complexion, etc. Honestly if they really wanted Andre to be TOS Kyle, then he should have been asked to dye his hair blonde. And if they're just going to handwave and say that Kyle dyes his hair, then why is Rebecca made to go brunette to be Number One instead of her natural blonde?
I'm Asian and I'd love to have seen George Lucas' original take on Obi-Wan with Toshiro Mifune if he hadn't turned down the role. But once Alec was cast, I don't think it would've been consistent with the story of Star Wars as it had now been established to suddenly cast a Japanese actor to be young Obi-Wan in the prequels. If they want diversity, then make new Asian characters.
I suspect they didn't make Andre into Sulu because they didn't want the pressure of giving the character prominent screentime befitting a TOS character. So they named him the lesser known Kyle to justify keeping him in minimal transporter scenes. This is just a guess I have, because I really don't know why they didn't just make him Sulu. As an Asian myself, I don't really find putting an Asian with small screen time (on par with Rhys in Discovery) that particularly groundbreaking so I hope as it is Kyle gets more screentime but I'm not holding my breath.
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I really hope not. Repackaging familiar characters is very limiting on creativity, one has to stay within the perimeters already set for the chatacter. Also it creates unnecessary points of comparison with original and discussions on canon deviation.
They're already brining on Kirk in this season's finale and for season two, it's 100% inevitable the entire TOS cast will appear soon.
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