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Lt.Kyle

Maybe Kurtzman Trek is guilty of recasting for the Hell of it but let's just be honest here: Berman Trek also did it. There's no excuse why they couldn't get an actress of European heritage to play holodeck T'Pau or give ENT T'Pau a formal accent to simulate her way of speech in TOS. Except that Berman and his people could. And figured it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
TOS T'Pau: regal European woman with a Slavic accent.
VOY T'Pau: elderly Asian woman.
ENT T'Pau: white woman wtih a North American accent.

So...yeah.
Well thanks for that, now whenever I watch Darkling that's going to jump right out at me. I'll never not notice it.

Oh hang on, it's just Darkling. I wasn't planning on ever watching that again anyway. Crisis averted!

There's no excuse why they couldn't get an actress of European heritage to play holodeck T'Pau or give ENT T'Pau a formal accent to simulate her way of speech in TOS.
If I remember right the actress was all ready to do the accent, but then no one told her to.
 
Well thanks for that, now whenever I watch Darkling that's going to jump right out at me. I'll never not notice it.

Oh hang on, it's just Darkling. I wasn't planning on ever watching that again anyway. Crisis averted!


If I remember right the actress was all ready to do the accent, but then no one told her to.
What can be done?
 
It's the same T'Pau. You might have problems thinking so watching VOY and later ENT. But it's her. Same woman who officiated over Spock's koon-ut-kalifee ceremony. Same woman who temporarily placed Surak's katra into Jonathan Archer. One sounds like a Russian grandmother. One looks like a kind old Asian lady in retirement. One has '80s metal hair and talks like she comes from Los Angeles County. But all are She Who Excuses De Air.
 
It's the same T'Pau. You might have problems thinking so watching VOY and later ENT. But it's her. Same woman who officiated over Spock's koon-ut-kalifee ceremony. Same woman who temporarily placed Surak's katra into Jonathan Archer. One sounds like a Russian grandmother. One looks like a kind old Asian lady in retirement. One has '80s metal hair and talks like she comes from Los Angeles County. But all are She Who Excuses De Air.
Wait? They have the character of T'Paul appearing on Star Trek Voyager? She seemed to be about 200 plus years at the time of Mister Spock's Ponn Far ceremony; so what, The Producers were trying to claim Vulcans can live 300 plus years?:vulcan::rommie:
 
It's the same T'Pau. You might have problems thinking so watching VOY and later ENT. But it's her. Same woman who officiated over Spock's koon-ut-kalifee ceremony. Same woman who temporarily placed Surak's katra into Jonathan Archer. One sounds like a Russian grandmother. One looks like a kind old Asian lady in retirement. One has '80s metal hair and talks like she comes from Los Angeles County. But all are She Who Excuses De Air.
De hair is de hair, vat can be done?
 
Last Stand and Wolverine were removed from continuity by the producers before this movie, IIRC. Just like Superman Returns replaced 3/4, and some of the Terminator shenanigans.

Trek producers still insist all is Prime.
Last Stand is referenced directly in Logan, IIRC.

I've never seen an interview or anything where the producers explictly say certain movies do not count. To me it seems the same as Trek, you can infer what the current producers consider canon and not (i.e. Affliction/Divergence and TOS Klingons no longer count) but there'll never be anything written in stone.
 
The day that Trek continuity gets as bad as the X-Men movies it really will be time to blow it all up and start over.
 
Wait? They have the character of T'Paul appearing on Star Trek Voyager? She seemed to be about 200 plus years at the time of Mister Spock's Ponn Far ceremony; so what, The Producers were trying to claim Vulcans can live 300 plus years?:vulcan::rommie:
T'pau appeared as a hologram in one of the doctors holodeck programs
 
The Producers were trying to claim Vulcans can live 300 plus years?:vulcan::rommie:
I've never understood why a Vulcan living so long is supposedly outlandish. We've never seen a Vulcan die of old age, nor have we been given an average lifespan for one (that I can recall). Sarek died from a disease. Was he considered very old for a Vulcan? I did not get that impression.
 
I may need to revise my take on this. Having now learned that the navigator's name is Jenna Mitchell, and recalling that Una's surname is Chin-Riley, I am inclined to think TPTB are being cutesy and simply borrowing the names of minor TOS characters they like.

That's what I think they've been doing. These are not the same characters -- they're separate characters named after the TOS characters. Small tips-of-the-hat for viewers who recognize the references. Nothing more.

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with being Arabic. Why you would say something so stupid is beyond me. Arabic culture is very different from African culture.

Which Arabic culture? Which African culture? Why do you not address the fact that Afro-Arabs exist and that Swahili is influenced by Arabic?

Dont even Try to make what I said racist.

He doesn't have to. You did that all by yourself.

What if they would have made her italian, or british. You would ABSOLUTELY have an issue with that.

As I and others have noted, recasting a white character to a POC is much more acceptable than recasting a POC character with a white actor. The former empowers marginalized people and increases their representation in media that used to render them invisible; the latter disempowers marginalized people by rendering them invisible in popular media.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

If they make Scotty a Texan. Would you like that?? Of course not.

Scotty's Scottishness is essential to his character. (Arguably it is one of the only things that exist about his extremely stereotypical, two-dimensional character.)

Kyle... is not a character. He's an extra with a name. And nothing about his status as an apparent Englishman matters to his character. Literally any other character played by any other actor could have delivered his lines. Nothing about him was special or distinct.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

If it were a complete reboot...NO. .But it's set in the same universe and Kyle was in several episodes as well as a movie. They have created a very diverse crew for this show. Why change Kyle an established character??

I repeat:

Kyle... is not a character. He's an extra with a name. And nothing about his status as an apparent Englishman matters to his character. Literally any other character played by any other actor could have delivered his lines. Nothing about him was special or distinct.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

Look continuity issues happen with EVERY long running show. Pretty sure everyone knows this. But to blatantly just change things just because doesnt sit well with me.

Well, too bad, because it's endemic to art in general. Do you realize how often things get totally changed and re-conceived every time a play or musical gets revived on Broadway?

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

Case in point. The Klingons were completely overhauled for Discovery. Why???

Because Bryan Fuller determined that the Klingons of the Rick Berman era felt too familiar and safe, and that making the Klingons of Star Trek: Discovery more alien and less familiar-looking would help create a sense of alienation (no pun intended) for the audience and a feeling of greater danger, which were feelings he felt necessary to engender

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

They wanted to make it their own. Bottom line. If they want to be creative and use that ego they should do it on new characrer and makeup....

It is ridiculous to ascribe a different set of aesthetics to narcissism. Some people are just more comfortable with suspension of disbelief than you are. Get over it.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

I think of it like... okay, they had multiple actors playing Young Spock in Search for Spock. They cast people who had some resemblance to Leonard Nimoy because you were supposed to believe that they grew up into the guy at the end of the movie. It wasn't nostalgia that drove that casting, they weren't trying to play it safe to avoid a fan outcry, it was just basic consistency. Worf's son didn't have a radically different look to take advantage of modern makeup techniques, because you were supposed to buy him as being Worf's son.

If you put a guy called Kyle at the transporter, people are going to assume it's the same guy and wonder why he looks so different.

"People?" I cannot emphasize to you enough how incredibly obscure the so-called "character" of Transporter Chief Kyle is. "People" are not going to assume it's the same guy, because the number of people who even recognize the reference is incredibly small, and the number of those people who care enough to get upset about it are even smaller.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

They could've solved this by being creative and thinking up a new name.

There is no problem to "solve."

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

I don't mind the diversity on the show. It has a very diverse cast. What I dont like is changing characters that are ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

Nothing about Kyle is "established." He was an extra given a name that an incredibly small percent of the audience was aware of.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

If Kyle is so insignificant to so many of you.....WHY IS HE EVEN ON THE SHOW??? Apparently the producers knew who he was so he can't be that insignificant. Right??

It's supposed to be a cute wink to the audience, not a goddamn treatise.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

Just for the record AGAIN. I DO NOT completely hate current Trek. There are plenty of elements I like from all three shows. I just wish it would have a consistant tone.

Oh goodness no. The best thing for Star Trek to do if it's gonna have five shows on the air all at once is for them to all have different tones from one-another so that they don't all feel like they're just hitting the same few notes over and over again every week.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.
 
That's what I think they've been doing. These are not the same characters -- they're separate characters named after the TOS characters. Small tips-of-the-hat for viewers who recognize the references. Nothing more.



Which Arabic culture? Which African culture? Why do you not address the fact that Afro-Arabs exist and that Swahili is influenced by Arabic?



He doesn't have to. You did that all by yourself.



As I and others have noted, recasting a white character to a POC is much more acceptable than recasting a POC character with a white actor. The former empowers marginalized people and increases their representation in media that used to render them invisible; the latter disempowers marginalized people by rendering them invisible in popular media.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



Scotty's Scottishness is essential to his character. (Arguably it is one of the only things that exist about his extremely stereotypical, two-dimensional character.)

Kyle... is not a character. He's an extra with a name. And nothing about his status as an apparent Englishman matters to his character. Literally any other character played by any other actor could have delivered his lines. Nothing about him was special or distinct.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



I repeat:

Kyle... is not a character. He's an extra with a name. And nothing about his status as an apparent Englishman matters to his character. Literally any other character played by any other actor could have delivered his lines. Nothing about him was special or distinct.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



Well, too bad, because it's endemic to art in general. Do you realize how often things get totally changed and re-conceived every time a play or musical gets revived on Broadway?

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



Because Bryan Fuller determined that the Klingons of the Rick Berman era felt too familiar and safe, and that making the Klingons of Star Trek: Discovery more alien and less familiar-looking would help create a sense of alienation (no pun intended) for the audience and a feeling of greater danger, which were feelings he felt necessary to engender

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



It is ridiculous to ascribe a different set of aesthetics to narcissism. Some people are just more comfortable with suspension of disbelief than you are. Get over it.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



"People?" I cannot emphasize to you enough how incredibly obscure the so-called "character" of Transporter Chief Kyle is. "People" are not going to assume it's the same guy, because the number of people who even recognize the reference is incredibly small, and the number of those people who care enough to get upset about it are even smaller.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



There is no problem to "solve."

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



Nothing about Kyle is "established." He was an extra given a name that an incredibly small percent of the audience was aware of.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



It's supposed to be a cute wink to the audience, not a goddamn treatise.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.



Oh goodness no. The best thing for Star Trek to do if it's gonna have five shows on the air all at once is for them to all have different tones from one-another so that they don't all feel like they're just hitting the same few notes over and over again every week.

And I must once again repeat: We have no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same character. You are getting upset about something you made up yourself.

Yes I know the Swahilli language in influenced by Arabic. If my Uhura example is not working for you. Go with Scotty being Texan.

As for this could be any Kyle. You are right it could be. But from what I read on other sites most seem to think he is a reimagined Kyle. I didn't make it up. Many people were talking about it well before I was.
 
Why not just have a diffrent red shirt called kyle every episode :lol:

Could kill each kyle off to :p
 
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