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Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7

I don't think Arya will ever see Jon again. I think that that will be a part of GRR Martin's bittersweet ending.

I do think she will meet up with Gendry and The Hound again.

Edited to add - has anyone noticed that the Baratheon sigil is still showing up on King's Landing in the opening sequence?
 
I got the feeling after last week that an Arya/Hound reunion is an almost certainty. Jon is away now. She might make it back to Winterfell and see her big sis, but may go off with the Brotherhood Without Banners before Jon gets back. :shrug:
 
A huge part of her Navy gone in one battle? Not the best way to start a war, ey "Mother of Dragons". She can't lay siege to Kings Landing if she loses Naval battle so will be interesting when she will deploy the dragons on the offensive.

Sansa leading the North is a mistake on Jon's part because at this moment in time she is far too impulsive and consumed with anger that dictates her thinking. She has already argued with Jon on several matters that would leave the North ill prepared should the White Walkers attack. Don't get me wrong, I feel in peace time, she would make a better Queen than Jon would a King but at this moment in time, I fear for the North.

So many pieces moving and it's so excited that soon we will see Jon meet Daenerys and hopefully Arya will reach home as well. I still believe Jon shares the family blood of Targaryen and I wonder will this come out into the open this season and also will the Dragons react to Jon's if so, to hint at a possible family connection.

Cersei's silver tongue continues to get heavier although I suspect some people aren't completely buying her exaggerated claims

The bit that made me go "Sorry, what?" was Cersei's claim about what the army would do if they took over the Kingdom...I did wonder how a Eunuch Sullied army is supposed too or even want to rape their woman?
 
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The bit that made me go "Sorry, what?" was Cersei's claim about what the army would do if they took over the Kingdom...I did wonder how a Eunuch Sullied army is supposed too or even want to rape their woman?
Could she maybe have been referring to the Dothraki? That is kind of their thing.
 
Well, pretty sure she was referring to the Dothraki specifically there, not the Unsullied. Still, a lot of bullshit but I guess we'll soon see Randyll Tarly turning against the Reach.

I'm not sure how I feel about Yara losing her fleet so decisively like that. On the one hand, to hell with the Sand Snakes and Ellaria, but like that? Euron Greyjoy is too much of a ragey meathead for me to have been satisfied by all that, and seeing Yara lose and Theon run like that was depressing. Hopefully she's able to turn this around pretty quick, but I doubt Ellaria is long for the world seeing as Cersei will be quite happy to pay her back for Myrcella.
 
Forgot about the Dothraki.

Yeh fuck the Sand Snakes/Ellaria, they can all lose their heads but Dorn is going to come at Cersei even harder now should they be killed. Cersei would be smarter to try and ransom them for Dorn to stand down from the war, if possible.

How did Yara's forces not know they were being tracked by what I assume was a larger Naval Force and one with a big dick for a battering ram/landing bridge :lol:
 
To borrow a phrase: he was never the man he once was. Theon was just an entitled highborn dickhead (effectively kept prisoner as leverage against his father) before Robb sent him to parlay with his father. He became an entitled highborn dickhead general and was then broken over and over into a subservient cowardly worm. If Theon has a high point, it is far in the future.
 
I think we'll still see Casterly Rock. Wasn't the Iron Fleet heading to King's Landing?
Um, that was the Iron Fleet.

I don't think Arya will ever see Jon again. I think that that will be a part of GRR Martin's bittersweet ending.
I fear that you're right on that count.

Speaking of bittersweet endings, all that talk of "Queen of the Ashes" made me think of Martin's claim years back that the story will "end in dust" or something like that.

I do think she will meet up with Gendry and The Hound again.
I got the feeling after last week that an Arya/Hound reunion is an almost certainty. Jon is away now. She might make it back to Winterfell and see her big sis, but may go off with the Brotherhood Without Banners before Jon gets back. :shrug:
Yeah, that would make sense, which would realign Gensley's place in the books (with the Brotherhood). I think I read somewhere that Gendry is returning this season.

Edited to add - has anyone noticed that the Baratheon sigil is still showing up on King's Landing in the opening sequence?
Damn, I meant to mention that in my review. Considering the condition and ownership of Winterfell changed in the opening sequence over the seasons, I would've expect King's Landing to show the Lion at this point.
 
I still feel that they are setting up Arya to die this season. I don't like it because I'm a big Arya fan, but it seems clearer.

Last week, her decision to go after Cersei just felt wrong. I can't see Cersei being killed by Arya this season, but I can see Cersei being saved just as Arya is about to strike the killing blow. Essentially, Arya is going to pull an Oberon Martel--at least I think that's what is going to happen.

Oberon, like Arya, had a flare in the way he fought. Arya isn't the show off that Oberon was, but she does like to talk before she kills. She will want Cersei to know it's her that killed her, and in that pause, that's where I see Arya dying--just like Oberon.

This week, her direwolf shunning her, to me was another foreshadowing of her death.

I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong.
 
I was really looking forward to finally seeing Casterly Rock.
A huge part of her Navy gone in one battle?

I don't think that was a huge part of the navy though.
Larger part of the fleet, carrying the Unsullied and the Dothraki, should still be on the way to Casterly Rock,
Asha's ships were empty and heading to Dorne to drop off Elaria and pick up the Dornish Army.

Sorry that Theon reverted back to his cowardice at his sister's greatest need.

If he charged Euron he would be dead, and if Euron wanted Asha dead he would have killed her already. Not sure how much he was guided by logic, and how much by fear, but he made the smart move there.

She can't lay siege to Kings Landing if she loses Naval battle so will be interesting when she will deploy the dragons on the offensive.

She doesn't really need a fleet to secure King's landing, she can surround the city from land, and any ship that tries to supply the city from the sea can be turned to ash by the dragons.

Sansa leading the North is a mistake on Jon's part

Should have picked Lyanna Mormont. ;)

I still believe Jon shares the family blood of Targaryen and I wonder will this come out into the open this season

Bran is south of the wall already...
 
That preview gave away the return of Nymeria this week, which would have made squeel even more than it did. So I think now I'm not gonna watch any of the previews for upcoming episodes. So can anyone commenting on them just beware round here and maybe use spoiler tags just in case? (I know nearly everyone already does but just saying) Thanks

But yeah, good episode. Loved some of the cuts the director used, notably from Jorah's wounds to that cracking pie :lol:
 
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Theon and his sister were heading south to Dorme to drop Ellaria and the sand snakes off. Grey Worm and the Unsullied are on different boats going to Casterly Rock.
 
How did Yara's forces not know they were being tracked by what I assume was a larger Naval Force and one with a big dick for a battering ram/landing bridge :lol:
Yeah, I wasn't sure how Euron's fleet found Yara's. I also wasn't sure why Yara's fleet didn't have advance scouts and lookouts?! After all, the only way they could lose was by the other fleet, and they forget to keep an eye out for it!
 
I don't think that was a huge part of the navy though.
Larger part of the fleet, carrying the Unsullied and the Dothraki, should still be on the way to Casterly Rock,
Asha's ships were empty and heading to Dorne to drop off Elaria and pick up the Dornish Army.
Theon and his sister were heading south to Dorme to drop Ellaria and the sand snakes off. Grey Worm and the Unsullied are on different boats going to Casterly Rock.
Perhaps so on either count. I'll have to watch the war council scene again, but my impression was that the fleet was heading down to Dorne drop off Ellaria and the Sand Snakes and then continue on to Casterly Rock. As for the size of the fleet, that might be true. Yara's fleet alone was 100 ships strong and then you add the other ships, however many.

Should have picked Lyanna Mormont. ;)
Indeed. Hell, I thought when she spoke out against Jon going to Dragonstone, that would be end of that conversation and stayed put. :lol:

Bran is south of the wall already...
True, and while there aren't any other main characters there any more (sorry, Edd, you're just a secondary character), I'm not sure if Bran will know where to head next. Perhaps he'll find out from Edd that Jon and Sansa are in Winterfell and head down there quicklly.
 
Audacious plan on Tyrion and Daenerys' part. A damn shame Euron had to get in the way. I was really looking forward to finally seeing Casterly Rock.

Sad to see the Sand Snakes killed off, although I suppose there's a chance that Tyene and Ellaria are still alive after....

Most likely as they were not killed outright.. it seems Euron's Ironborn knew exactly who they were and the fact that they didn't slit their throats outright suggests to me that they were under orders to take these high value targets as prisoners.

Sorry that Theon reverted back to his cowardice at his sister's greatest need. I'm surprised Euron didn't kill her right there and then, although was that suppose to be her hanging from the bow? I couldn't tell because the effects were so dark.

I think it was the 2 dead Sand Snakes.. the one with the Spear and the one with the Whip. What i wonder is that the Martells are known for their use of poison and poisoning their weapons.. Oberyn Martel once only scratched a guy with his Spear during combat and he died later due to poisoning. Euron received a few scratches.. that would be a cool scene for him to die of poison a few days later (though i doubt it).

Cersei's silver tongue continues to get heavier although I suspect some people aren't completely buying her exaggerated claims.

Yeah.. Noblemen who have truly earned their title (on top of being born to it) can think and see for themselves and put two and two together.. it remains to be seen if they are greedy enough to put their eggs in Cersei's basket.

How sweet to see Grey Worm and Missandei taking a moment to comfort and pleasure each other on the eve of his departure. Hm, speaking of which...I hope he didn't die during Euron's attack.

Yes that was a very nice scene.. i may have went a little "Awwww.." but since i saw the episode on my own i can deny any unmanliness :lol: I don't think so.. the Unsullied mission is to take Casterly Rock and the Martells are to take King's Landing. SInce Ellaria and the Sand Snakes were on board i assume Yara was the one to sail them there for the siege.

Good on Sam to try to save Jorah even when the Archmaester had given up and cast aside the forbidden technique, although I'm surprised that the method that Sam discovered wasn't the alluded dragonglass cure we talked about after last week's episode. Maybe that will come to play later?

I thought he'd rather have his ass whooped or even expelled since the knowledge he gained was from books that were locked away.. his Maester apparently didn't pick that up. Poor Jorah.. Sam barely removed 10% of that Greyscale and it nearly killed him :( I hope Sam succeeds (i think he will) and he gets to write his own book on treating Greyscale (maybe refine the technique and put people under narcotics before cutting off skin?).

Coming back to the beginning, I really loved the heavy exchange of words between Daenerys and Varys about his loyalties. Poor Tyrion kept trying to defend his friend and kept getting railroaded. Also love Daenerys' put down on Varys after he called out Melisandre's past allegiances. :lol:
Yes, that was a spot on put down (or rather ripping a new anal exit).. Varys is a political schemer and he thrives on it and is not truly loyal to anyone or anything and Dany called him on it. I wonder why it happened only now?
He certainly proved himself a capable servant to Dany but then again he was also capable under the Mad King and Robert.. Dany both earned his loyalty there but also put the fear of God (or rather Fire) into him.. she certainly has come a long way from season 1 as a timid and frightened girl who was just discovering how to control and direct men.

Very sweet indeed, although I was sad that Nymeria didn't stay with Arya. And it looks like she's heading to an even bigger reunion, if only with Sansa. Who knows if she'll ever get to see Jon Snow.

I really hope so.. she will at least meet Sansa and Jon is surely to return to Winterfell, it remains to be seen if Arya is then still around or if she set off to get to Cersei (how easy will that kill be since she can basically impersonate anybody and knowing Cersei is a near alcoholic? :p).

I was a little taken aback at how hard and seemingly uncaring she has become.. here she meets a good friend after years and she just munches down on her food and give off very short answers. I hope meeting her family will thaw her a little and she regains some of the humanity she has lost over the years.


Anyway.. a great episode again full of good character moments but still setup for the most part. It was a nice twist that not all of Dany's plans work out the way they are intended. So i didn't expect to see her fleet destroyed (and most likely much of the Dorne army) which may be first blood for Cersei. This may force her to be more aggressive than she intended. The Dothraki were not mentioned during the strategy meeting and i wonder why.. that is a shock army best suited for massive attack but they are very wrong for siege missions so when will they be put into action?

It's like Murphy's Law of Combat states.. "No plan survives first contact!"
 
Euron is basically the new Ramsey, vicious, cruel and some what mad. The show needs some new villains since many have been killed off already.
 
Yes, that was a spot on put down (or rather ripping a new anal exit).. Varys is a political schemer and he thrives on it and is not truly loyal to anyone or anything and Dany called him on it. I wonder why it happened only now?

My guess is that they're establishing this pattern of behavior now so that it fits when Jon arrives, refuses to bend the knee, and she throws him in the dungeon. I don't picture their first meeting going well at all. They have completely different agendas.

He wants her help to mine the diamond glass and fight the White Walkers in the North with him as King of the North. She wants him to bend the knee and help her put pressure on Cersei in the South. They'll be talking past each other. She has less reason to be worried about the WWs than everyone else--and everyone else isn't worried!

It's possible that as her plan goes south, she'll need him more and make concessions. Cersie should gain control of Ellaria Sand thanks to Euron. That should take some of the pressure off of Cersei. Support me or die! It's a convincing argument. Given that the siege will be off without the troops and ships, that means that Dany will likely need help from the North.

As usual, I think it'll be a bumpy journey!
 
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