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Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

It is a bold move for any show to kill off a main character and while i hate Joss Whedon in those moments one can't argue with the dramatic effects and story potential such an act provides (i'd just wish he'd lay off the happy couples are doomed shtick for a while :lol:).

And now i also have to remind myself that it's his brother who runs the show so who knows how he wants to handle things.
 
But that's exactly my point: That their goal is world domination, not racial purity or eugenics.

In the comics at least, racial purity and eugenics was part of their original goal. They were after all the science division for the Third Reich. Marvel writers basically turned them into a generic bad guy organization as early as "Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD.

And in fact, lots of rational people join organizations with harmful or misguided or evil goals.

You are confusing "normal" with "rational". I don't think a rational person would join an organization that has evil goals, evil methods maybe but not goals. Could the average person join an evil organization, sadly yes but if you look at these people, they too have "issues".


Look at Pierce in TWS.
Pierce was a classic psychopath. All of HYDRA agents are pretty much psychopaths.
 
Where does the "HYDRA" in all caps originate? In looking at Stan Lee's introduction to the SHIELD story in Son of Origins he spells it as "Hydra".

It probably started with financial journalism. First it was companies whose name were acronyms (like IBM) and then with companies with short names. I've seen Apple in all caps as well as Sony and even Microsoft.
 
Where does the "HYDRA" in all caps originate? In looking at Stan Lee's introduction to the SHIELD story in Son of Origins he spells it as "Hydra".

It probably started with financial journalism. First it was companies whose name were acronyms (like IBM) and then with companies with short names. I've seen Apple in all caps as well as Sony and even Microsoft.
I was thinking about in the comics or in prose about comics. As mentioned captions and word balloons were written in all caps, but what about letters pages and other "editorial" commentary? Looking on line at Marvel's Bullpen Bulletins/Mighty Marvel Checklist pages, I'm seeing it spelled as "Hydra", so somewhere along the line it changed to using all caps
 
My opinion regarding Garrett and especially Ward is summed up best by Captain Jack Sparrow ...

"The deepest circle of Hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers."

Both qualify as the former and possibly the latter as well.

And in any case I hate back-stabbers. :thumbdown:

Unless we're talking rogues in WoW. Rogues fucking rule! :devil: ;)
 
And now i also have to remind myself that it's his brother who runs the show so who knows how he wants to handle things.

Actually it's his brother, his sister-in-law, and his Angel collaborator Jeffrey Bell. I feel so sorry for Bell, since everyone keeps ignoring his presence on the show, even though he has far more TV experience than the Whedon-Tancharoen duo.


In the comics at least, racial purity and eugenics was part of their original goal. They were after all the science division for the Third Reich. Marvel writers basically turned them into a generic bad guy organization as early as "Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD.

Just my point -- their goals evolved. And as I said, The First Avenger made a point of showing the Red Skull breaking HYDRA away from Hitler's ambitions in favor of his own goals. Even then, it was clear that their loyalty was to the Skull and to better conquest through science than it was to Hitler, his party, or his ideologies.


And in fact, lots of rational people join organizations with harmful or misguided or evil goals.

You are confusing "normal" with "rational". I don't think a rational person would join an organization that has evil goals, evil methods maybe but not goals. Could the average person join an evil organization, sadly yes but if you look at these people, they too have "issues".

I'm not confusing normal with rational; I'm saying that "rational" is not a value judgment. Many people use what they believe to be rational arguments to convince themselves it's justified to do evil things. Again, nobody really considers their own actions and choices to be "evil." People who join HYDRA would do so because they believe that greater power will help them achieve their goals, or that freedom and democracy don't work and people need to be dominated and controlled for their own good, or that pure science matters more than morality so it's okay to pursue any kind of research even if it kills millions of people. They're not doing it because they want to be villains in a story. In their own minds, they're pursuing a positive goal.



Pierce was a classic psychopath. All of HYDRA agents are pretty much psychopaths.

Maybe, but psychopaths are often extremely rational. They lack empathy and remorse, so their choices are often based on cold calculation. Again, calling someone "rational" does not equate to calling them good or just.
 
Where does the "HYDRA" in all caps originate? In looking at Stan Lee's introduction to the SHIELD story in Son of Origins he spells it as "Hydra".

It probably started with financial journalism. First it was companies whose name were acronyms (like IBM) and then with companies with short names. I've seen Apple in all caps as well as Sony and even Microsoft.
I would say copyrighted logos, which can often be in all bold caps. Microsoft has upper and lower case for its corporate logo, but Sony is all in bold caps.
 
In the comics at least, racial purity and eugenics was part of their original goal. They were after all the science division for the Third Reich. Marvel writers basically turned them into a generic bad guy organization as early as "Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD.
IIRC, the first appearance of Hydra, was in Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD (Strange Tales #135) where they were "a generic bad guy organization", with no connection to Nazis or their ideology. Later Fury's old foe Baron Von Strucker was revealed to by the head of Hydra, but the organization was already in place when he took over. The organization seems to be founded by the Japanese.
 
On the subject of long-term story potential, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, somewhere down the road, our SHIELD and Hydra regulars join forces against a common threat.

In looking at Stan Lee's introduction to the SHIELD story in Son of Origins he spells it as "Hydra".
'Nuff said! :techman:
 
Noticing the "Special Thanks to" credits for "Providence". Millar and Hitch for the design sense, Miller and Sienkiewicz for Garrett, understood. Wolfman, Infantino, Ayers and Ditko, though...?
 
Wolfman and Infantino would be for the briefly-seen Blackout.

Ditko for Talbot.

Ayers inked the first "Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD" story in Strange Tales.
 
Also, noticed on second viewing of "Providence" tonight via ctv.ca that Fitz referred to there being multiple Helicarriers, possessing cloaking tech.
 
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