Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

In GoT it's following the books. Not sure about Walking Dead, as I never read the comics.

 

It is a bold move for any show to kill off a main character and while i hate Joss Whedon in those moments one can't argue with the dramatic effects and story potential such an act provides (i'd just wish he'd lay off the happy couples are doomed shtick for a while ).

And now i also have to remind myself that it's his brother who runs the show so who knows how he wants to handle things.

 

In the comics at least, racial purity and eugenics was part of their original goal. They were after all the science division for the Third Reich. Marvel writers basically turned them into a generic bad guy organization as early as "Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD.

You are confusing "normal" with "rational". I don't think a rational person would join an organization that has evil goals, evil methods maybe but not goals. Could the average person join an evil organization, sadly yes but if you look at these people, they too have "issues".

Pierce was a classic psychopath. All of HYDRA agents are pretty much psychopaths.

 

Using Whedon as an example, Angel did have a main credits regular that didn't make it all the way through.

 

It probably started with financial journalism. First it was companies whose name were acronyms (like IBM) and then with companies with short names. I've seen Apple in all caps as well as Sony and even Microsoft.

 

I was thinking about in the comics or in prose about comics. As mentioned captions and word balloons were written in all caps, but what about letters pages and other "editorial" commentary? Looking on line at Marvel's Bullpen Bulletins/Mighty Marvel Checklist pages, I'm seeing it spelled as "Hydra", so somewhere along the line it changed to using all caps

 

My opinion regarding Garrett and especially Ward is summed up best by Captain Jack Sparrow ...

"The deepest circle of Hell is reserved for betrayers and mutineers."

Both qualify as the former and possibly the latter as well.

And in any case I hate back-stabbers.

Unless we're talking rogues in WoW. Rogues fucking rule!

 

Actually it's his brother, his sister-in-law, and his Angel collaborator Jeffrey Bell. I feel so sorry for Bell, since everyone keeps ignoring his presence on the show, even though he has far more TV experience than the Whedon-Tancharoen duo.

Just my point -- their goals evolved. And as I said, The First Avenger made a point of showing the Red Skull breaking HYDRA away from Hitler's ambitions in favor of his own goals. Even then, it was clear that their loyalty was to the Skull and to better conquest through science than it was to Hitler, his party, or his ideologies.

I'm not confusing normal with rational; I'm saying that "rational" is not a value judgment. Many people use what they believe to be rational arguments to convince themselves it's justified to do evil things. Again, nobody really considers their own actions and choices to be "evil." People who join HYDRA would do so because they believe that greater power will help them achieve their goals, or that freedom and democracy don't work and people need to be dominated and controlled for their own good, or that pure science matters more than morality so it's okay to pursue any kind of research even if it kills millions of people. They're not doing it because they want to be villains in a story. In their own minds, they're pursuing a positive goal.

Maybe, but psychopaths are often extremely rational. They lack empathy and remorse, so their choices are often based on cold calculation. Again, calling someone "rational" does not equate to calling them good or just.

 

I would say copyrighted logos, which can often be in all bold caps. Microsoft has upper and lower case for its corporate logo, but Sony is all in bold caps.

 

IIRC, the first appearance of Hydra, was in Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD (Strange Tales #135) where they were "a generic bad guy organization", with no connection to Nazis or their ideology. Later Fury's old foe Baron Von Strucker was revealed to by the head of Hydra, but the organization was already in place when he took over. The organization seems to be founded by the Japanese.

 

Yeah. The real Coulson and Garrett are off somewhere playing "Call of Duty" and laughing.

 

Noticing the "Special Thanks to" credits for "Providence". Millar and Hitch for the design sense, Miller and Sienkiewicz for Garrett, understood. Wolfman, Infantino, Ayers and Ditko, though...?

 

Ahhhh...that makes sense.

 

And someone else at comicsalliance.com pointed out Lee and Ayers for Eric Koenig.

 

Also, noticed on second viewing of "Providence" tonight via ctv.ca that Fitz referred to there being multiple Helicarriers, possessing cloaking tech.

 

I wonder how many are now held by Hydra and how many have been captured by the likes of Colonel Talbot?

 

And how many scuttled to prevent them falling into either set of hands?