Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Just saw it ABC.com

Not sure Ward is Hydra. Not sure Hand is dead, part of the ruse(I hope).

Wards last glimpse to Coulson could be played two ways: Last look back at his old life or looking for a facial, non-verbal from Coulson.

Cause it's odd that Ward would leave the Bus when very shortly Coulson would tell May he needs every ally he can get. Ward would be an ally, an ally rooting out Hydra possibly with Hand in on it. The two guards are also likely OK, IF Ward is playing double agent.

If Hand really is dead it's a waste of a character with lots of great potential.

I wish that when Hand & Coulson had that moment about "maybe being the only ones they can trust" that a mention of "what about Hill?" isn't made. Since they know Fury is dead, and she is Fury loyal seems a one/two sentence mention could've been made. Especially in light the shows up 3 episodes from now.

The show is so paying off from the first half build up and foundation laying. I feel a second season is all but assured. It's doing better in that spot than what ABC had last year and is likely to be well poised to hit the ground running next year, especially leading into Avengers Age of Ultron. The show lays the groundwork for how Fury gets SHIELD back up and running with respect.

 

I was just going to say that it's already up on Hulu.

Normally, unless you pay for "Hulu Plus", you have to wait a week to watch new episodes, but the last two have been available the next day on regular, free Hulu.

 

I'm old too!

 

You went to the wrong theater. I saw the movie at two different theaters here in town, and I got an ad for Agents Of Shield both times.

That's the first times I've seen the ads in a while. It was a reminder that I've been showing up for movies just in time for the start of the trailers lately. I only show up early for the really big and crowded ones.

 

Spoiler: TWS

Maria Hill is still around, and she knows about Coulson. Plus, she's going to work at Stark Industries, so she could break the news to the Avengers.

 

Well, this was pretty disappointing, but pretty much what I expected from what I've been reading.

Basically we had lots of running and shooting, fighting and shooting, aerial dogfights and shooting, explosions and shooting. We had arbitrary traitors with no hint of motivation and forced conflict between former friends. Twisty plot twists. Everything you thought you knew is a lie. And next week, everything you thought you knew this week will be a lie. And the week after next, everything you thought you knew next week will be a lie.

Hand definitely did make some bad decisions. Her little test of Triplett probably weeded out a lot of loyal agents who were wisely trying to bide their time. And Simmons never even answered. And suggesting that Garrett be executed-- by Ward-- was just plain weird. And arbitrary.

It wasn't all bad. Fitz had some great lines and gave a great performance. And I liked the little conversation about whether it was "cut off a head" or "cut off a limb."

Oh, well, maybe they'll make something out of this, but I miss SHIELD already.

Not old, seasoned.

 

This, exactly. I still thought the episode was great, though. However, if Ward turns out to be a double agent and the murder of Hand and those 2 agents were faked, I'm not going to be happy. I'm already not happy with Garrett being the Clairvoyant, but that unhappiness was dampened by the greatness of the episode itself.

 

Simmons might not have said anything but she did toss Triplett a knife after Hand said she was Hydra. There's your answer.

A lot of people missed the head shot Ward gave those two agents. Unless S.H.I.E.L.D. Has blood packs that they can place under the skull of the forehead, those guys are dead.



Edit: There's a blood scatter after the first shot I can't time right but the second shot puts a hole in his head and leave blood on the wall behind him.

 

^Victoria Hand also jumps in fear when the 2nd guy is shot.

 

I'm still not convinced that's actually Ward. He offered to leave with Hand pretty quick, possibly because he knew that he couldn't continue to fake it with Coulson's team for very long. Also, when he came back into the storage closet, he asked Skye if she was ready to hack the computer system and she replied by showing him explosives. The real Ward would have known that they were going to blow the system, not hack it. An imposter would have assumed Skye was going to hack it.

 

That's true. Another thing to consider is that Ward was losing that fight when they cut to Skye in the closet. Then we had some more fight sounds before it got quiet and Ward came back in. There was plenty of time for him to be replaced.

 

He was spotting a knife on the ground before the cut and smiled. I guess that implies he was getting the advantage back by grabbing that.

 

I understand that the show is fully inviting this with the fake Hand reveal as the villain at the end of the previous episode and the big twist with Ward and Garrett as Hydra, but I still think people are WAY WAY WAY over thinking things with these theories that it wasn't really Ward or that nod from Coulson had meaning and it was a set up and and Hand isn't really dead, or that Simmons is a HYDRA. Ward shot 3 agents in cold blood. He's a bad guy. Maybe a bad guy with some conflicting loyalty that they will play off of in future episodes, but a bad guy nonetheless. At some point, we need to be able to take some things that happen on the show at face value or it just doesn't work anymore. Too many twists is a bad thing.

 

On @Midnight last night, the gameshow host stopped midgame to say to one of the celebrity contestants "Hail Hydra" in a horse whisper.

laughed my ass off.

 

I think it's interesting the extent some people are going to in order to deny Ward might actually turn out to be an interesting character after all.

 

I find it odd that before the last episode, I thought Ward was someone else but after the last episode, I wrote Ward off as a bad guy.