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Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Off-topic, but how so? The Defiant was present during the roll call at the start of the battle, survived a running battle with the Cube for however many light years it is from the Typhon Sector to Earth and however long it took for the Enterprise to travel from the Neutral Zone to Earth, continued fighting throughout the last stand at Earth which saw many larger and likely newer vessels destroyed, survived largely intact, and was repaired and ready to serve again at DS9 soon after. Seems like a pretty good showing to me.

The Defiant only survived because Ira Behr threatened to ignore First Contact if it was destroyed.

Early drafts of the script of Star Trek: First Contact suggested that the Defiant was to be destroyed in the Battle of Sector 001. In the DVD commentary for the film, First Contact co-writer and Deep Space Nine producer Ronald D. Moore said that Deep Space Nine's Executive Producer Ira Steven Behr had seen the script and objected to the needless destruction of his ship in a story that didn't even involve the Deep Space Nine characters (apart from Worf). It would also prove to be inconvenient for the television show, so the Defiant was eventually allowed to survive the battle, and a line suggesting that the Defiant was "adrift, but salvageable" was added to clear up any ambiguity. No reference to the damage the Defiant received during the battle was ever made on Deep Space Nine (although a brief reference was made to the battle itself in "In Purgatory's Shadow", when Sisko mentions "the recent Borg attack").

I'm well aware of that, but I don't see how it's relevant to my point about what was actually shown in the final product onscreen.
 
Either way, the only previous example where a TV show could spoil a movie or vice versa that I can think of is X-Files. TNG movies and DS9 referenced each other, but never gave away genuine plot points. Even the X-Files movie was between seasons, if I'm not mistaken.
 
I'm changing my stance, you may have to watch CA:TWS before tomorrow's episode.

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Babylon 5 had a couple movies set during the series and aired at disjoint points.

Setting Third Space during the embargo from Earth, a year after the embargo had finished was weird. Lets meet god, who wants to kill us, and then we'll never talk about it again.

The Battlestar Movies Razor, and The Plan, where more about movies retroactively sliced into continuity, but hardly seamlessly.

The Futurama movies where designed to be cut into pieces and aired as a season of television... But I suspect only if they were a success.

In one of the Kim Possible Movies (Seriously fantastic Disney Cartoon.), she makes out with her side kick, (Ducky gets Molly!) and then when they following season starts, they are dating... Kim Possible and Ron Stoppable. (That still makes me smile.).

Kenny died in the South Park Movie... Which took a few years for TPTB to renegue on that stitch in continuity.

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In the last episode, Hand says she's heading back to the Hub before she departs. Our team has been there but has its location been revealed? In this screen shot, after being redirected from DC, the screen behind Hand places it north east of DC.

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I assumed the Hub was in Boston. :mallory:

As for movie and TV show continuity, don't forget Batman; after the movie, the bat-cycle, bat-copter, and bat-boat appeared on the show. :rommie:
 
The "revised flight path" seems to be pointing to Europe.

If you're thinking that it's the location on the east coast of the U.S. with writing next to it, that's Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Maybe the Bus is being controlled from the Kennedy Compound.
 
So if S.H.I.E.L.D. is down, what about S.W.O.R.D.?

Meanwhile, who owns the bus if S.H.I.E.L.D. doesn't exist, and more importantly who is paying to refuel it?

(Yahoo answers is feeding me facts.)

1000 gallons per 24 hours.

US $2.84 (That really doesn't seem right. But maybe jet fuel is almost cheaper than regular fuel because it's used in such massive quantities.)

So almost 3 grand a day to keep the bus flying.

Although maybe they don't have to worry about that while all the black sites are still carrying depot surpluses?

Please try to observe the requests to avoid spoilers in here. It's been well-established that the series and the movie are intertwined in their story.
 
The "revised flight path" seems to be pointing to Europe.

If you're thinking that it's the location on the east coast of the U.S. with writing next to it, that's Cape Cod, Massachusetts.

Maybe the Bus is being controlled from the Kennedy Compound.

Yeah, I'm thinking Europe.
Didn't Fury say there were HYDRA agents in Europe that he had to stop?

Although I think that flight path follows the curve of the Earth so any travel east would look somewhat like that.

I seem to recall display screens in The Hub. I don't suppose any of them have any clues.

ETA: I looked. The display screens of troop movements were extremely zoomed in or generic and could have been anywhere in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, or the Caucus region. More importantly, The Hub was not on the map. I'm hoping they reveal a location, but there isn't one there.
 
Tonight's episode is up on Hulu, and yes, there are lot of spoilers for Winter Soldier in it.

EDIT: They seemed to have pulled it, it was up for more than an hour, so there are spoilers about it going around.

It was a nice episode.
 
Spoilery speculation after seeing TWS (but before seeing tonight's episode, so don't tell me anything about it):

How can they keep the title when SHIELD doesn't exist anymore? Maybe from now on, SHIELD in the show's title will stand for "So, Here Is Everyone Left, Dudes."

Anyway, the events of the movie may answer a lot of our questions about Coulson and the Bus, or rather, confirm some speculations I've heard before. Maybe Fury knew there was something rotten inside SHIELD and brought Coulson back because he was the only one Fury trusted. Maybe the Bus team was his ace in the hole, an independent unit free of whatever nastiness was going on inside the organization.

What I'm wondering, though, is how the show will incorporate these changes and revelations without it feeling like a random change imposed from outside and veering the show off course. That's one of the downsides to the close interconnections of Marvel Comics -- too often, a series' own story arcs will be arbitrarily altered or scuttled by developments going on in a different series. Since the show has been developed alongside CA:TWS all along, I'm hoping they can find a way to integrate these events smoothly into its story arc, have Coulson's team discover the HYDRA infiltration on their own and play some role in stopping them that at least feels significant, rather than just going about their business and suddenly hearing Steve's announcement over the PA. Events this important to the show shouldn't happen off-camera or without the show's leads playing some role. Of course it is driven by the movie, but for the show's sake, it should be made to feel like it's an organic part of the show.

I'm disappointed that the film didn't have at least a throwaway Easter-egg line referencing the show, or a cameo by Victoria Hand, say.

One other thing: Given that Black Widow apparently posted all of SHIELD's classified files onto the Internet, would that include the answers to Coulson's resurrection and/or Skye's origins?
 
Tonight's episode is up on Hulu, and yes, there are lot of spoilers for Winter Soldier in it.

EDIT: They seemed to have pulled it, it was up for more than an hour, so there are spoilers about it going around.

It was a nice episode.

I wish I knew about it. With AoS at its best and CA:TWS being so great, Marvel's got me all pumped for it.
 
A few days ago I asked if the appearance of an Avenger(s) on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would probably end up being an unnecessary deus ex machina. Most of you thought that it would be the case. What if, on the other hand, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. had more guest appearances by people like Sharon Carter/Agent 13?
 
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