SG-U – Incursion Part2 (1x20) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Harvey]

^^
That seems to make sense, but when Kiva makes that comment, she already knows the planet has been destroyed. And unless the new LA characters in season two are ret-conned into the story as already being aboard Destiny, it seems likely they will contact the Destiny yet again.

 

[Brent]

Not only did they find another Icarus-type planet, but it seems like Kiva expects them to be able to find a third Icarus-type planet, since she mentions that they should bring more supplies over the next time they make contact.

What have we learned about this part of the universe, anyway? Not a whole lot by my recollection. Part of it is due to the pace, but I think a lot of it is due to the focus on Earth-based stories. Episodes like "Life" and "Earth" are the worst offenders, giving us an hour of Earth-based melodrama, but episodes like the past three aren't much better.

Should we have a post-season one thread, by the way, or would people prefer to keep conversations about the first season as a whole here?

This is a good point, we haven't learned a whole heck of a lot about the part of the universe they are in. I wouldn't mind more exploring and awe and finding things etc... We know there is at least one alien race, and some kind of monolith thing on a planet that was apparently constructed itself, so some kind of very advanced race, maybe more advanced than the Ancients even, and giant spiders. That is about it. I was hoping for something extraordinary about this part of the universe.

 

[broberfett]

I'm not even watching right now, its recording, I'll watch it later, I hate sitting through commercials.

The last break reminded me of your Doctor Who rants, about how Skiffy stuck them in at the wrong times.

oh gosh, yeah, don't even bother with Doctor Who on BBC America, I tried watching a few of the new series eps and they CUT THEM DOWN SO MUCH, my gosh, they chop the living daylights out of them, to reduce their time format, cutting out material, it was really jarring watching them.

They must be cutting out all the good stuff, because I haven't enjoyed it too much.

 

[broberfett]

Well, both of my guesses were wrong: No Ghost-in-the-Machine Franklin, and Eli & Chloe didn't find something useful to save the day.

Well there was that handy control panel.

I experienced much disappointment with the episode. The Cliffhanger ending doesn't really help things for me. We have to wait after nearly an hour of lameness.

 

[Hermiod]

Not only did they find another Icarus-type planet, but it seems like Kiva expects them to be able to find a third Icarus-type planet, since she mentions that they should bring more supplies over the next time they make contact.

That's not quite accurate.

On both occasions, the Stargate on the Icarus-type planet was activated before Rush (and Eli in the first instance) had a chance to finish his work. Given more time, Rush would have found a way to dial the Stargate in a much more stable fashion, without the planet blowing up as a result.

Young also makes a reference to the best case scenario being that Carter's people from the George Hammond capture the Lucian Alliance base and they gain a resupply point. Kiva wasn't counting on Telford's brainwashing being undone and him giving Homeworld Security the location of their base.

Edit to add:

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That seems to make sense, but when Kiva makes that comment, she already knows the planet has been destroyed. And unless the new LA characters in season two are ret-conned into the story as already being aboard Destiny, it seems likely they will contact the Destiny yet again.

She did ? Hmmmmm, I'm going to have to look at this again. I detect the faint whiff of a script editing error more than anything else.

 

[broberfett]

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And when all the Lucian Alliance are dealt with we can "enjoy" a pop song montage showing life getting back to normal.

Logical. Flawlessly logical, but also sad. Horribly sad.

 

[Snaploud]

^^
That seems to make sense, but when Kiva makes that comment, she already knows the planet has been destroyed. And unless the new LA characters in season two are ret-conned into the story as already being aboard Destiny, it seems likely they will contact the Destiny yet again.

It's been a while since I watched the episode, but (at that moment) I don't think she was talking about future wormhole connections. The next "contact" just meant the next radio signal during the same wormhole connection.

Of course, I could be completely off-base.

 

[David cgc]

But there was no connection. The stargate's been off since the planet exploded.

I missed half the sentence, but I thought she was talking about their next negotiation with Young.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

If Young's mistakes and such turn out to be the result of brainwashing that would be the lamest and stupidest reset button/dramatic excuse ever and would gut everything.

So, in other words, Joe Mallozi has already thought of it.

No joke. I'm not too thrilled with the way they rehabilitated Telford by making his assholery for most of the season the result of LA brainwashing. Can't somebody just be an asshole, or even a traitor?

On BSG, people were fuckups, and that's all there was to it. There was no grand explanation. A lot of people are just screwed up--deal with it. I like that Young isn't very competent, and is clearly the wrong man for the job. It's a shame that the civilians have never taken that tack when trying to take over the ship, though. Wray really should come out and say it: "You're too easily influenced by emotional attachments to your staff, to say nothing of the fact that you impregnated one of your subordinates, and you consistently place the rest of us in jeopardy without a thought toward the consequences." It's like the people writing this show doesn't even understand their own characters. Had Wray used Young's incompetence to build a case to remove him from command, I could have respected that a lot more.

Of course, he'd be out of command for a day or two, something horrible would happen under Wray's watch, and she'd be eating crow while putting him back in charge. But at least that would've been more plausible and interesting.

 

[bullethead]

I like that Young isn't very competent, and is clearly the wrong man for the job. It's a shame that the civilians have never taken that tack when trying to take over the ship, though. Wray really should come out and say it: "You're too easily influenced by emotional attachments to your staff, to say nothing of the fact that you impregnated one of your subordinates, and you consistently place the rest of us in jeopardy without a thought toward the consequences." It's like the people writing this show doesn't even understand their own characters. Had Wray used Young's incompetence to build a case to remove him from command, I could have respected that a lot more.

Of course, he'd be out of command for a day or two, something horrible would happen under Wray's watch, and she'd be eating crow while putting him back in charge. But at least that would've been more plausible and interesting.

What's weird is that Young was once the SGC's top choice for the 9th Chevron expedition, so his incompetence is pretty bewildering. I guess the stress of being on Destiny and his marital problems has been eroding his mental and emotional states, but there's little to support that since we never really get in his head while he's on Destiny.

 

[Tom]

i wonder if the LA brought there own stones with them? If they uses Desiny's stones to make contact they would just go to earth, although the people on earth would not know who stone'd in.

 

[David cgc]

What's weird is that Young was once the SGC's top choice for the 9th Chevron expedition, so his incompetence is pretty bewildering. I guess the stress of being on Destiny and his marital problems has been eroding his mental and emotional states, but there's little to support that since we never really get in his head while he's on Destiny.

Or maybe he just knew himself better than his bosses did when he declined the offer.

 

[Pingfah]

I hate it when they finish a season on a cliffhanger like this. I don't mind suspense, but I like to see a story resolved somewhat. I prefer something like the 24 or Alias method, of wrapping up the main story but introducing a new element to end with on a cliffhanger.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm wondering if Telford (if he survives) might end up in command, at least for awhile.

I'm under the impression Telford is dead. After all, it was the sight of both him and Kiva laying on the floor with bullet wounds that made Kiva's underling decide to kill Destiny's military crew. Since they think Telford is still loyal to them, I think someone from the Lucian Alliance would have taken him for medical attention too if he were still alive.

Of course, it could just be indicative of cliche bad guy minion thing. Our leader and one of our comrades are hurt. Immediate medical attention for our leader! Our comrade can wait.

 

[David cgc]

Honestly, I'm kind of expecting that last one. They didn't even check if Telford was alive. I wouldn't be surprised if he won the shootout and then shot himself to make it look good, so he could finish his plan once the LA guys left.

 

[The Wormhole]

If that is the case, than the Lucian Alliance really are becoming more cartoony and cliched than the Goa'uld, Ori, and Wraith. Combined.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

If Telford wounded himself just to make it look good for the LA and he's just playing possum with a non-lethal wound, then I agree, they are even bigger idiots than I imagined.

 

[Lindley]

^^
That seems to make sense, but when Kiva makes that comment, she already knows the planet has been destroyed. And unless the new LA characters in season two are ret-conned into the story as already being aboard Destiny, it seems likely they will contact the Destiny yet again.

If you're talking about the line I think you are, she was just berating herself for making a mistake. It was something like, "Next time, we bring supplies in the first wave." As in, she's annoyed that she got them stuck there without supplies.

 

[cylkoth]

I'm under the impression Telford is dead. After all, it was the sight of both him and Kiva laying on the floor with bullet wounds that made Kiva's underling decide to kill Destiny's military crew. Since they think Telford is still loyal to them, I think someone from the Lucian Alliance would have taken him for medical attention too if he were still alive.

Of course, it could just be indicative of cliche bad guy minion thing. Our leader and one of our comrades are hurt. Immediate medical attention for our leader! Our comrade can wait.

Honestly, I'm kind of expecting that last one. They didn't even check if Telford was alive.

They did check Telford when they found them, but the dialog very deliberately had them focus entirely on Kiva, with no one mentioning Telf's condition at all. He-his body, was taken to the room serving as a med bay where TJ was along with Kiva, again, with dialog and camera shots avoiding him.

I like that Young isn't very competent, and is clearly the wrong man for the job. It's a shame that the civilians have never taken that tack when trying to take over the ship, though. Wray really should come out and say it: "You're too easily influenced by emotional attachments to your staff, to say nothing of the fact that you impregnated one of your subordinates, and you consistently place the rest of us in jeopardy without a thought toward the consequences."

No one knows that Young is the baby's daddy. TJ simply disclosed that she was pregnant, without mentioning who the father was. You'd think Icarus personnel would ask her-since, they'd want to know who on the Icarus base she was close to (and would want to console her as they'd naturally think he may have died during the attack).
Everyone knows Young is married, so they'd have no logical reason to suspect the two were ever involved, though knowing Wray, she may have her suspicions, going back to her questioning why TJ put in for a transfer off Icarus.

 

[JarodRussell]

I'm thinking Wray is also working for the LA.