I also find it hard to believe that my girlfriend would have sex with some stranger just because my mind is inside his body. There is way more to sexual attraction than just the mind.
SG-U – Incursion Part2 (1x20) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)
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It doesn't make any sense to me that the military would allow that, you'd think they would keep the transfers of minds professional, you are afteral using someone else's body, you simply don't have that right to use it in that way. I don't get it.
Before the first episodes were shot people saw some of the original scripts and were talking about the rape of Camile Wray. The writers no doubt were thinking we can have a disabled person experience sex for the first and only time. It was a CYA scene filmed after people saw the show and started talking about the rape of Telford.
Yes, the writers for this show are kind of stupid and don't think very much. So more things than average which make no sense make it into the scripts.
People signing away their bodies for sex is perfectly plausible. I don't know why people here are still on this or find it unbelievable. People in real life "sign away" their bodies for sexual purposes all the time. They even sign away their dignity for reality shows. 
So what's happening on SGU isn't stupid or unrealistic. Why would the military allow it? Because life isn't all business all the time. Besides, I wouldn't want to see a show where the body swaps are always professional. That would be incredibly dull. The big mistake the show has made isn't that they're using the stones for sexual purposes, it that they're not delving into the issue in more detail so that we see how these permissions come to pass.
So what's happening on SGU isn't stupid or unrealistic. Why would the military allow it? Because life isn't all business all the time. Besides, I wouldn't want to see a show where the body swaps are always professional. That would be incredibly dull. The big mistake the show has made isn't that they're using the stones for sexual purposes, it that they're not delving into the issue in more detail so that we see how these permissions come to pass.It would have been a gutsy move to have Rush have sex with her, but this is one of the few instances where restraint was the right move. Hopefully whatsherface will get her chance someday. And hopefully we'll see it. har har!
Telford raped? C'mon. He liked it.
Uh, military would never do something like that because of politics, the problems it has regarding sexual misconduct in its ranks, and the fact that even letting someone use the stones opens up the possibility of someone's life getting ruined, never mind having sex while in another person's body. In fact, the whole idea that the military would allow the Destiny crew to visit their families is laughable, because that time would be better spent debriefing them while experts took over their bodies on the other side.People signing away their bodies for sex is perfectly plausible. I don't know why people here are still on this or find it unbelievable. People in real life "sign away" their bodies for sexual purposes all the time. They even sign away their dignity for reality shows.
Of course, this all could have been avoided if the SGC had bothered to figure out how to make the damn things just transmit and receive electronic communications instead of relying on a method that has nearly killed three of their people. Plus it would've made the isolation more palpable, since communicating via video chat is nowhere near the same thing as talking to someone in person.
I think the conversation about having sex via the stones would be very different if the show didn't cheat and depict the person using the stones rather than the body that's right there in front of everyone (except in reflections). It might be your lover's consciousness in front of you, but it's not their body, which doesn't strike me as a minor thing.
They'd probably try to disallow a lot of things, but in the end, they'd have to reevalute their ever changing rules on sexual and relationship conduct yet again. Like I said, their big problem is in not going into enough depth or detail with the issue. If they did, it might add a little more plausibility for those who aren't connecting with what's going on.
What Harvey mentioned above is also a good point.
Would you really want to watch a show like that? Sounds boring. I'm glad we have the stones and that they're being used to explore things beyond endless debriefings and visits from experts.
it must be like how they treat submariners... You spend months and months out at sea... under the water... No contact with nobody except for the one way radio communications from home port... when I worked for commander submarine group seven, for 20 minutes out of every two hours I would type up news and transmit that... or else they wouldn't know whats going on at home...
It'd be the same way for personal communications... typed up and transmitted as time saw fit...
using the stones would help alievate that "OMG I'm 4000 miles and several months away from home" feeling... mucho better for that psychological release.
and these guy's are much farther and longer away from home... then our submariners today are...
Yeah, but that's the problem. The stones undercut a major part of the show's atmosphere and it really damages the perception of the show when you see people doing all sorts of stupid shit in other people's bodies.
The oddity of the Destiny crew meeting with their families is that it means their families are made aware of the Stargate program. Indeed, we know for a fact that they are, as Young's wife and Chloe's mother are very much aware of the Stargate, and Eli chose not to tell his mother because she wouldn't understand it.
So if we assume the families of all of Destiny's crew are aware of the Stargate, than that's a hell of a lot of civilians with knowledge of what is supposed to be the most top-secret military operation in the US.
Hell, combine that with the hundreds of people assigned to the SGC, the off-world bases, the starships, plus all the various civilians who have been made aware over the years on SG-1 and Atlantis, one has to wonder how exactly it stays a secret.
This has me thinking, just how is swapping bodies with someone a practical form of communication anyway? Why would the Ancients create such a device? What purpose or advantage could this form of communication provide?
Honestly, I think SGU would work better as a post-disclosure story, since it would explain a lot of the stupidity of the characters. Icarus would be a training facility for new recruits into Stargate Command as well as the site for the 9th chevron expedition, with Young as the base commander and Greer as a drill sergeant. That way we don't have to deal with the stupidity of keeping the gate secret and can have the stone visits make some sense, although I would prefer having the things modified to just transmit video.
It seems more and more like most of the SG1 and SGA fans just will not accept anything other than the larger than life super heroic character types.
I'm very happy that SGU has gone away from that.
There is so much criticism of Young being a weak leader. I don't agree, he has made some good decisions and some bad..
He just isn't a perfect star trek-esque leader who instantly knows that correct thing to do like O'Neil and the others would have. I find it refreshing. For once we actually don't know who will live or die or that everything will always be wrapped up neatly at the end of the episode.
The SGU characters are at least somewhat realistic and make mistakes like anybody would. They aren't all Bat-Man in a uniform like the cast of the other shows who were godlike in their abilities to solve any problem and destroy huge armies by themselves.
I'm very happy that SGU has gone away from that.
There is so much criticism of Young being a weak leader. I don't agree, he has made some good decisions and some bad..
He just isn't a perfect star trek-esque leader who instantly knows that correct thing to do like O'Neil and the others would have. I find it refreshing. For once we actually don't know who will live or die or that everything will always be wrapped up neatly at the end of the episode.
The SGU characters are at least somewhat realistic and make mistakes like anybody would. They aren't all Bat-Man in a uniform like the cast of the other shows who were godlike in their abilities to solve any problem and destroy huge armies by themselves.
I don't mind heroes who are morally ambiguous or flawed, it's just that they have to be interesting and have redeeming features to offset the flaws. Few of the main cast have that balance and most of them are severely underdeveloped because the first 10 episodes were so freaking slow.
I'm going to try to break down all the decisions Colonel Young has made in the show under three categories: Bad, Bad but Understandable, and Good.
Good:
-Free Greer from confinement on Icarus
-Evacuate everyone from Icarus before getting the stones and going through the gate
-Having a lottery for the shuttle in Light
-Backing up Rush after Telford and his lackeys nearly killed everyone in Earth
-Allowing the trial to occur in Justice
-Reconciling with Rush in Space
-Not punishing the civilians after the mutiny
-Resolving the standoff in Faith
-Preparing the crew for boarding action at the end of Sabotage and getting Franklin on the chair
-Allowing Rush to do his sting operation in Subversion and telling the SGC about it
Bad but Understandable:
-Putting Scott in charge before blacking out. Scott has practically no experience, but he is someone Young trusts.
-Dialing Earth at the end of the pilot. Yes, there were people in need of medical treatment, but he should've made sure the millions of years old ship had the energy and was capable of making the connection without blowing up.
-Staying to rescue Scott in Water instead of getting more ice for the crew
-Roughing up Spencer. Spencer was being insubordinate and Young wasn't in the mood for it.
-Beating the shit out of Telford for seeing his wife and spreading lies about him
-Beating up Rush and stranding him on the alien planet for framing him for murder
Bad:
-Became convinced that Rush was hiding information about the Destiny based solely on the fact that Rush took his name out of the lottery
-Using Eli to perform surveillance on the crew
-Creating a chain of command with people that all have some connection to him
-Leaving Lt. James and any other high ranking NCOs out of the chain of command
-Not working with Wray to make the civilians feel comfortable
-Making TJ do her little interviews with the crew, leading the civilians to feel like they are under the military's thumb
-Giving Rush an ultimatum that could result in the loss of their best expert in Ancient technology or would result in them never finding out Destiny's master code before they all died
-Attempting to destroy the alien ship in Space with Rush and Chloe on it in order to cover up his attempted murder of Rush
-Young's entire plan to retake the ship hinging on Rush not locking the airlock (he was right, but it was a big leap of faith)
-Yelling at Eli for not following his stupid orders and not being able to solve everything
-Not telling the crew about the hallucinogenic space ticks
-Not telling Scott about his scheme to suffocate Telford to break his brainwashing
-Not evacuating the civilians as far from the gateroom as possible
-Failing to properly establish defensive positions in case the Lucian Alliance boarded Destiny by not blocking corridors with boxes and creating impromptu claymores out of C4 and random metal bits
-Not using the life support controls and/or the gravity controls to neutralize the Alliance boarding party before they regrouped
-Leaving the control room to personally fight the enemy
-Coming up with stupid plans to rescue the hostages instead of just killing the Alliance personnel
-Giving up control of the ship because the Alliance wouldn't believe Young about the shield thing, resulting in the civilians being rounded up and placing the military personnel in a position that will get them killed
Considering that he's a colonel, one assumes that he had to be competent considering O'Neill wanted him to lead the Icarus expedition and the fact that he's a colonel.
We know who's going to die: all the nameless extras that makeup the crew. When given the opportunity to kill off three main cast members, they brought them back the next episode, despite breaking the show's internal logic about how the Destiny gates work (although I will admit that the visual effects guys might have screwed up, giving the impression the Destiny was out of range when it wasn't). And most of the situations have wrapped up in an episode.
Here's the problem: they often get themselves into trouble because they lack common sense. That really hurts their likeability and makes no goddamn sense, because the Stargate program only takes the best of the best.
^^You know that's 2 days before October starts, right? It's pretty close, and more of the season will air in October than in September.
Sooooo......two days before October is now referred to as "October"? Why did I not get this memo? And what is the cutoff point? Is five days before October referred to as "October"? What about seven days? I'm not a bifg fan of rounding. If we do not say what mean, then we do not mean what we say.
Why do you think that James isn't part of the chain of command? Isn't she a commissioned officer and hence by definition part of the chain of command? And Young didn't exactly "create" a chain of command, the circumstances did.
Are you referring to that scene where James was complaining that Scott is always leading the off-world expeditions unless Scott is unavailable? Well, Scott happens to outrank her. And if Young thinks that she hasn't sufficient experience, then that's his prerogative. Or do you mean that T.J. shouldn't have been put in command in "Water" because she's just a medic?
From what I gather the military chain of command on Destiny is something like this:
1) Col. Young
2) 1st Lt. Scott
3) 1st Lt. Johansen
4) 2nd Lt. James
5) MSgt. Greer
How about the fact that James never does anything except when Scott is unavailable? Or the fact that whenever a major decision is made, Lt. James is nowhere to be seen?
^^You know that's 2 days before October starts, right? It's pretty close, and more of the season will air in October than in September.
Sooooo......two days before October is now referred to as "October"? Why did I not get this memo? And what is the cutoff point? Is five days before October referred to as "October"? What about seven days? I'm not a bifg fan of rounding. If we do not say what mean, then we do not mean what we say.
I'm afraid you did miss the memo...you should have been informed. September no longer exists, just 61 days of October.
Well, that's because James is below Scott (and Johansen) in the chain of command. Doesn't mean that she isn't part of the chain of command at all.
Since she's only fourth in the chain of command, she wouldn't be part of any major decisions unless Young and Scott are incapacitated. Besides, she's only a recurring guest character.
Except that no one of any relevance has died in the first season. No main characters, not even secondary chaarcters, unless you count Sgt. Spencer. But even him, it was predictable, and when I heard there was a death in the previews for Justice, I immediately thought it was him.
That's not as bad as you're making it sound. At least they were only monitoring people in the public areas of the ship, which should be standard practice anyway. The crew still had privacy since there were no kinos floating in their quarters.
Thing is, as a medic, TJ shouldn't be in the chain of command at all. And when Young and Scott are off the ship, James should be the military officer in authority.
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