SG-U – Incursion Part2 (1x20) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[The Wormhole]

Why would they even want that ship, or assume they can take control?

There were other options that could have made sense as an explanation. In a deleted scene in the pilot, Rush reveals there are legends regarding the treasures that await on the other side when one dials the ninth chevron, speculating that it was for this reason the Lucian Alliance attacked Icarus. They could have had the Lucian Alliance still after these treasures.

Another, comes from the episode Life where we learn that the Icarus planet originally belonged to the Lucian Alliance. Revenge is a bit simplistic a motivation, but a logical one.

Instead they went and depicted the Lucian Alliance as the galaxy's self-appointed defenders dead-set against the planet Earth. And to make matters more stupid, they know all about Destiny and what it is, thanks to Telford. But they still want it anyway since it's an Ancient starship. You want an Ancient starship? Find a way to enhance a ha'tak so it can reach the Pegasus galaxy and obtain one of the dozens that are just drifitng around there. They're probably in better working condition than Destiny.

 

[Danny99]

- How did Young make Colonel having such emotional outbursts?
- Big ups to Doctor Park for “Don’t Yell!”
- Its good to see the relationship between Scott and Greer growing.
- “Let’s surrender so we can fix the ship!” qualifies as the dumbest plan ever. Seriously how did Young become a Colonel?
- I think they’re setting up Kiva’s first officer that’s TJ saved as someone who survives into next season. He’s being less of a douche than every other Lucian Alliance person.
- If Telford is dead, I’ll be disappointed. Since he is free of the brainwashing that makes him an asshole, he’s a more competent commander than Young.
- Anyone else laugh at Eli running?
- Why couldn’t they execute Wray?

 

[Danny99]

Forgot to add:

- Great last shot, props to Andy Mikita.
- I really hope Space Channel drops Innerspace after SGU or at least gets it better hosts. Especially tonight after the finale, the two hosts ramble on non-sensically while they pan to the audience members dressed up in full SG uniforms. Why will Sci-Fi never be completely accepted? Because, as much as it is fantasy, it needs to have some basis in reality.

 

[bullethead]

- How did Young make Colonel having such emotional outbursts?

Not only that, but how did he get to be such a good leader in the SGC that O'Neill wanted him to lead the expedition?

- Big ups to Doctor Park for “Don’t Yell!”

Moments like that almost make you forget she's sleeping with at least half the crew.

- I think they’re setting up Kiva’s first officer that’s TJ saved as someone who survives into next season. He’s being less of a douche than every other Lucian Alliance person.

Probably. I wouldn't mind if he became a regular as long as he could keep the rest of the Lucian Alliance dudes from being idiots.

- If Telford is dead, I’ll be disappointed. Since he is free of the brainwashing that makes him an asshole, he’s a more competent commander than Young.

I thought that earlier in the season, before they made Telford into a dickhead, but I doubt that they would add Lou Diamond Phillips to the main character roles due to money issues.

- Anyone else laugh at Eli running?

Yeah, he looked so ridiculous that it undercut the drama of the montage.

- Why couldn’t they execute Wray?

Because that would be real drama, not the romance and petty bickering crap that we've gotten this season.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

- How did Young make Colonel having such emotional outbursts?

Not only that, but how did he get to be such a good leader in the SGC that O'Neill wanted him to lead the expedition?

Well, the canoical explanation is that Young is burned out and fed up with the job.

However, I think that they really should do a flashback episode in Season 2 where it is explained what exactly had happened to Young. Maybe he was a SG leader once who was forced to sacrifice his entire team during a critical mission... and afterwards it turned out that wasn't even necessary or worth it?

 

[bullethead]

- How did Young make Colonel having such emotional outbursts?

Not only that, but how did he get to be such a good leader in the SGC that O'Neill wanted him to lead the expedition?

Well, the canoical explanation is that Young is burned out and fed up with the job.

However, I think that they really should do a flashback episode in Season 2 where it is explained what exactly had happened to Young. Maybe he was a SG leader once who was forced to sacrifice his entire team during a critical mission... and afterwards it turned out that wasn't even necessary or worth it?

We know he was with that SG team that got killed in an Alliance attack, so that might've been part of it, but I seriously doubt it would degrade his combat skills that much. I mean, the man had people ready to storm the obvious exits to the gate room instead of going through the balcony entrances, not to mention failing to use the atmospheric and gravity controls.

 

[David cgc]

- How did Young make Colonel having such emotional outbursts?

Not only that, but how did he get to be such a good leader in the SGC that O'Neill wanted him to lead the expedition?

Telford was going to head the expedition. Young would've stayed in charge of Icarus Base, pretty much a desk job.

 

[Snaploud]

- How did Young make Colonel having such emotional outbursts?

Not only that, but how did he get to be such a good leader in the SGC that O'Neill wanted him to lead the expedition?

Telford was going to head the expedition.

True. Young was apparently the SGC's first choice, though. He turned it down.

 

[The Wormhole]

- I think they’re setting up Kiva’s first officer that’s TJ saved as someone who survives into next season. He’s being less of a douche than every other Lucian Alliance person.

Actually, I think the purpose of him is simply the sympathetic character among the bad guys thing.

Spoiler: season 2

I'm under the impression that Robert Knepper's character is meant to be stepping into Kiva's role in S2.

- Big ups to Doctor Park for “Don’t Yell!”

Moments like that almost make you forget she's sleeping with at least half the crew.

No, the fact they haven't shown her sleeping with anyone since Life makes you forget she's sleeping with half the crew.

Personally, I think they should show her getting it on more often. Give someone on the show some personality, even if that personality is being a slut.

However, I think that they really should do a flashback episode in Season 2 where it is explained what exactly had happened to Young. Maybe he was a SG leader once who was forced to sacrifice his entire team during a critical mission... and afterwards it turned out that wasn't even necessary or worth it?

The original character description stated Young was the commander of an SG team effected by the loss of two of his team mates.

Personally, I think they should do an episode with flashbacks for all the characters. Perhaps even showing life on Icarus base. Something that would flesh these characters out a bit better than has been done within one season.

Lt. Ford was fleshed out better after one season on Atlantis than most of these characters have.

 

[StarshipDefiant]

On a similar note, I really dug how the first episode began with Scott rushing through the Stargate, and the lead up to that point is told in flashbacks and what not.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah. SGU really is about Young, who isn't ready for this command, makes wrong decisions, and somehow has to bring them all home alive. It has been mentioned and implied multiple times by various characters (including O'Neill) that Young isn't the right guy for this. So he has to prove himself in the next few episodes.

Unless Telford survives and replaces him. I hope that will be the case.

 

[arch101]

I'm beginning to wonder if Young is under LA brainwashing and doesn't realize it. I mean, he's switched with Telford more than anyone but he doesn't have the kind of flashbacks Rush does? C'mon! Keva even mentions the unpredictability of brainwashing someone through the stones. I think they got to Young while he was Telford. It would explain some of the totally lame-brained things he did during "Incursion". I'm wondering if Telford (if he survives) might end up in command, at least for awhile. I mean, how big and expensive is LDP right now anyway? LaBamba was a LONG time ago.
I have to say, I'm enjoying this show's refusal to fall into a routine. With Voyager or TNG, I always knew that, after the season-opener, we'd be back to planet-of-the-week. As of right now, I really have no idea how SGU will work itself out of the current situation.

 

[JonathonWally]

If Young's mistakes and such turn out to be the result of brainwashing that would be the lamest and stupidest reset button/dramatic excuse ever and would gut everything.

So, in other words, Joe Mallozi has already thought of it.

 

[bullethead]

I have to say, I'm enjoying this show's refusal to fall into a routine. With Voyager or TNG, I always knew that, after the season-opener, we'd be back to planet-of-the-week. As of right now, I really have no idea how SGU will work itself out of the current situation.

The show did have a routine for a while, which was "get into dramatic situation, then resolve by the last five minutes, rinse, and repeat." They moved away from it in the last few episodes since they actually have an arc now, which I hope they continue into the next season instead of the pointless filler episodes.

 

[Brent]

So I finally watched the episode, one word, boring. I understood what they were trying to do, but really, as a season finale, it was too slow. Sure, there are a lot of cliffhangers, so that much is interesting. Slow and boring kinda describe the entire season in fact. I understand they want to be different from SG-1 and Atlantis, and I guess that means slowing things down, but I think they've gone to the opposite extreme here, they need to pull it back some, speed things up a bit, have a little more action, it is Stargate afterall.

Anyway, after watching it, the Binary star system stuff is pretty neat, I do like that they are introducing and exploring real space stuff in this series, like they did not do with Atlantis. The ship dipping into stars to refuel for example, stuff like that is pretty neat, its nice to see a SCIFI series actually include cool space stuff.

 

[Harvey]

5/10.

The pace really stumbles until the end, and then the episode is over. Count me as another person who would have preferred a season finale that didn't end with a cliffhanger sure to be easily resolved.

Young is incompetent to the point of the series being frustrating. I hope Telford is still alive, because he'd be much preferable in command.

It's clear after three episodes that the Lucian Alliance don't work. So much for being isolated from Earth in any meaningful way. Kiva's death means nothing, much like all of the other deaths in this episode, because she's a piece of cardboard, not a character. At least a few characters died here, although not any that I recognized, so it doesn't really mean a thing, either.

It seems awfully contrived that Scott and Psycho-Greer had to go outside the ship to fix things, but it looked cool. The pulsar was an awful coincidence (this show has a lot of them), but at least the science isn't awful.

The series looks great. If only all the money MGM was throwing at it would show up in the writing. There's not much, given the premise, that you can do to rehabilitate the acting at this point, sad to say. Ming-Na was painful to watch in this episode (maybe it's due to the writing, which makes Wray come off as a complete dolt).

Ugh. I'll probably be back...but, damn, the series should be better than it is.

 

[Brent]

I think anything with the Lucian Alliance is kinda weak anyway. I would have preffered some other alien race trying to find them for some reason. I still find the Lucian Alliance motivations to get on board Destiny extremely weak. I still don't understand why they wanted to go there.

I also find it extremely convenient they found another planet capable of dialing Destiny. Cut off not so much, heh. They did this same thing with Atlantis BTW, Atlantis was supposed to be cut off remember? Well you can see how long that lasted, apparently they are falling into old ways again.

 

[Harvey]

Not only did they find another Icarus-type planet, but it seems like Kiva expects them to be able to find a third Icarus-type planet, since she mentions that they should bring more supplies over the next time they make contact.

What have we learned about this part of the universe, anyway? Not a whole lot by my recollection. Part of it is due to the pace, but I think a lot of it is due to the focus on Earth-based stories. Episodes like "Life" and "Earth" are the worst offenders, giving us an hour of Earth-based melodrama, but episodes like the past three aren't much better.

Should we have a post-season one thread, by the way, or would people prefer to keep conversations about the first season as a whole here?

 

[sidious618]

I actually really liked Kiva; I thought she was a good villain. She'd have been even better if she wasn't part of the dreadfully dull Lucian Alliance.

 

[Snaploud]

Not only did they find another Icarus-type planet, but it seems like Kiva expects them to be able to find a third Icarus-type planet, since she mentions that they should bring more supplies over the next time they make contact.

I believe the original plan was to use the second Icarus-type planet multiple times, but Earth interference made them step up their plans (before Rush could fully stabilize the system)--thereby leading to the second planet's destruction.