SG-U – Incursion Part2 (1x20) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Star Wolf]

Wouldn't be a bad thing. Baal was a fun character, and Cliff Simon is a cool guy and great actor. There could still be some clones left that SG1 didn't find.

His over the top, arch villainy would be completely out of place on this show.

Since when was Baal over the top? Considering the fact that he's a Goa'uld, he's been pretty subtle and competent every time we've seen him. And let's face it, he's the only villain with an actual reason to take the Destiny, so he can build himself an empire where the SGC can't get him.

From the few I saw he was the only System Lord who didn't start to believe his godhood. In action he only used his "god" status to keep his Jaffa loyal and had no problem dropping the act when alone with SG-1.

But then that would be another Voyager nod with a Baal spy along with the Lucian Alliance crew

 

[bullethead]

^All of the Goa'uld were cartoonish villains, even Baal. Cloning himself ? Come on, that's just Skeletor level villainy.

They worked in SG-1, but wouldn't work in this show.

It made sense, in that cloning himself not only deprived the SGC and Free Jaffa of victory by killing him, but it also allowed him to run numerous operations simultaneously across the galaxy and Earth without having to worry about handing each job off to some incompetent underling.

But then that would be another Voyager nod with a Baal spy along with the Lucian Alliance crew

It would make more sense if Baal was the one behind the Lucian Alliance going after Destiny, because they honestly have no reason to go through all sorts of hoops to obtain a ship that's probably outclassed by their Ha'taks in practically every way.

 

[The Wormhole]

You know it's bad when Cliff Simon, the actor who played Baal, disses the show. Then again, he wants to come back as Baal on SGU, but that could only be a good thing.

You got a link to his comments about SGU? I would be very interested in seeing what exactly he has to say on the show.

And I agree, bringing Ba'al over to SGU would be awesome. Regardless of how logical it is or isn't.

His over the top, arch villainy would be completely out of place on this show.

I don't know. These Lucian Alliance goons are already over the top arch villains. Torturing Rush, executing their own scientist on the spot for incompetance and so on. SGU should just give up the pretense of being gritty and "real" since they're failing in that regard when it comes to their villains.

Blue aliens who can't talk and evil badasses dressed in leather don't make for compelling villains either.

 

[Danny99]

You know it's bad when Cliff Simon, the actor who played Baal, disses the show. Then again, he wants to come back as Baal on SGU, but that could only be a good thing.

You got a link to his comments about SGU? I would be very interested in seeing what exactly he has to say on the show.

From: http://www.sgusucks.com/sgudegs-newspaper.html (sounds really impartial doesn't it!)

Now that another 6 months have passed, veteran Stargate actors are becoming less held-back in their criticisms of SGU. At the recent Fedcon 2010 in Germany, Joe Flanigan (SGA's John Sheppard), David Hewlett (Rodney McKay) and Cliff Simon (SG1's most lovable Goa'uld system lord, Ba'al) were each interviewed about their thoughts on the new show.

Flanigan was the most outspoken, stating outright that he doesn't watch Stargate Universe because after turning it on for 15 minutes, his kids said it was "boring" and wanted it turned off. He says that SGU isn't doing very well so far, and he believes this is because the fan base want Atlantis back, that they didn't want Atlantis to have been cancelled in the first place. He adds that the decision to cancel SGA and replace it with SGU isn't looking to have been a smart move, but diplomatically states, with a skeptical look on his face, that maybe in a few years it might prove to have been a good decision.

Hewlett, at first, jokes that he has no interest in watching SGU because as far as he's concerned, the SGU actors are "on his set, eating his sandwiches!" He goes on to say that he isn't watching SGU, mainly because after working on Atlantis for five years the last thing he wants to do is sit down and "watch someone else having all the fun", but that he might consider watching it if McKay were to get a part on it. That, he believes, would make him love it! Hewlett is quick to avoid promoting SGU, stating that he's getting his sci-fi fix from Doctor Who now. Although he laughs and jokes throughout the interview, it's difficult to imagine that there isn't a level of sincerity in those words, particularly as he then goes on to say how much he really misses Atlantis and his fellow cast, who grew as close as family during their time working on the show.

And Cliff Simon states that he has watched some of SGU and "doesn't think the show is that fantastic", suggesting that one thing SGU badly lacks is a good, strong villain to give the show texture. Although he hopes the show "does get popular", he doesn't feel that the show is as good as SG1 and believes that SGU needs to find a great personality to "make the show", as SG1 did with Richard Dean Anderson (Jack O'Neill). Asked if he'd like a role in SGU, he said that he would do so if he could be a villain. In fact, he'd like to appear as Ba'al.

 

[bullethead]

You know it's bad when Cliff Simon, the actor who played Baal, disses the show. Then again, he wants to come back as Baal on SGU, but that could only be a good thing.

You got a link to his comments about SGU? I would be very interested in seeing what exactly he has to say on the show.

From: http://www.sgusucks.com/sgudegs-newspaper.html (sounds really impartial doesn't it!)

I've been trying to see if there's another link, but there's the possibility that the interview was published in the Official Stargate magazine and there's only a partial copy of it on the magazine's site, dated November 11.

 

[David cgc]

I think it's adorable how all the actors' driving issue with it is that it's not their show.

 

[Kelthaz]

You got a link to his comments about SGU? I would be very interested in seeing what exactly he has to say on the show.

From: http://www.sgusucks.com/sgudegs-newspaper.html (sounds really impartial doesn't it!)

I've been trying to see if there's another link, but there's the possibility that the interview was published in the Official Stargate magazine and there's only a partial copy of it on the magazine's site, dated November 11.

Yeah, another link would be good. Any SGU news from a website called "Stargate Universe Sucks" is going to be taken with a tub of salt.

I did find an interview with Cliff Simon where he is skeptical of the idea of Universe, but this was before it even aired. I haven't been able to find anything else.

 

[scnj]

I've mostly enjoyed this season including the finale. I'll definitely be coming back next season. I think they took their time finding their feet, but the show has been vastly improved since midseason.

 

[Hermiod]

Blue aliens who can't talk and evil badasses dressed in leather don't make for compelling villains either.

I'm one of the minority who enjoyed just having the ship and space itself as a villain was far more interesting.

 

[JarodRussell]

I think it's adorable how all the actors' driving issue with it is that it's not their show.

At least they are honest.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Boooooorrriiinngggggg...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What a snoozefest. Symbolic of this entire horrible, dull, bore of a show with the most unlikeable characters on tv.

I won't bother wasting my time with season 2, can't deal with watching people argue and yell at each other. Most of all Young and Rush.

Clueless writers.

You know it's bad when Cliff Simon, the actor who played Baal, disses the show. Then again, he wants to come back as Baal on SGU, but that could only be a good thing.

Let's face it, his answer to its "problems" would be "more Baal".

More C.O.W. Baal!

(C.O.W. = "Clone or What?")

 

[Broccoli]

Boooooorrriiinngggggg...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What a snoozefest. Symbolic of this entire horrible, dull, bore of a show with the most unlikeable characters on tv.

I won't bother wasting my time with season 2, can't deal with watching people argue and yell at each other. Most of all Young and Rush.

Clueless writers.

Okay. See you next season!

You know it's bad when Cliff Simon, the actor who played Baal, disses the show. Then again, he wants to come back as Baal on SGU, but that could only be a good thing.

A third rate actor ripping on a show he (probably) can't be a part of?

I realize SGU is not without its problems, but that amused me.

Come on, that's just Skeletor level villainy.

I am using that line in the future.

 

[o'brien's scotch]

I had only seen the original movie years ago and the first episode of SG-1 and only the last few minutes of some Atlantis episodes as I waited for BSG to come on, but I decided to give SGU a try. I initially disliked anytime the stones were used to get back to Earth. I thought the best stuff happened Destiny. I think the last half of the season has been pretty strong, but hated the third to last episode. I had no knowledge of the Lucian Alliance and it felt like a totally different show. Thankfull the final two hours really made up for it and got me looking forward to next season. Further thoughts here.

 

[Python Trek]

Why are so many posters saying, "we'll see what happens in October"? The date for the start of season 2 is Sept. 28th.

???

 

[Lt. Trull]

maybe that's when they'll get their opinions handed to them and they can respond to queries...

 

[TiberiusMaximus]

^^You know that's 2 days before October starts, right? It's pretty close, and more of the season will air in October than in September.

 

[Mr Awe]

7. It was ok. Entertaining, a little action, some character moments. But, not awesome action or superb character moments.

Also, we've seen this type of takeover attempt on various shows. The Lucian Alliance really didn't do anything extraordinary, so our guys really should've been able to take them down more easily. It makes them look weak, especially after that dressing down Everet got by O'Niell. O'Niell was exactly right. If the series is making a point of how weak Everet is, well he's probably not coming back as a regular next year.

Where is this all heading. I haven't read any spoilers but guessing that both crews will be whittled down to a manageable number of characters who will be forced to coexist. Just like the Maquis on Voyager. Let's hope the implementation is better. I'd rather watch them overcome external threats than squabble amongst themselves. But, that's just me.

All in all, it was OK. I'm not really bothered about who lives or dies. Or the new arrangements next season.

Mr Awe

 

[Daedalus12]

Just watched all 20 episodes in a gulp. I must say I've been enjoying this new SG series the same way I keep going back to the same shitty local American Chinese restaurant. No matter how bad you feel afterward you still come back for more. I gave this episode an 8 out of 10 btw.

Just some general comments about the show (mostly about the casting).

Chloe shouldn't be killed off but she should be replace with another actress. IMO Elyse Levesque isn't really up to the standard of hotness that is implied by the writers. I was expecting Megan Fox level of hotness. I think Kathleen Munroe who played Dr. Amanda Perry in the episode Sabotage has the right amount of hotness.



IMO Robert Carlyle was a brilliant casting decision. For me he is the definitive Machiavellian scientist. I am already a big fan of Rush.

Eli should be in a Michael Cera movie rather than a Stargate TV series. A lazy slob who plays video games all the time doesn't produce anything other than waste. Certainly not any solutions to a incredibly complex mathematical problem.

The blue aliens looked quite awesome. I am hoping for more appearances by them.

There is something I don't get about some of scenes involving the stones. Young banged his wife with Telford's body while knowing that his wife only sees and feels Telford's uh body. No matter how horny I was I would never bang my wife or gf with another person's body.

Chris Evans would totally make a better Matthew Scott aka Captain America.

Seriously what's up with producers of Stargate? Apparently they think only brown people can play the bad-ass of the show i.e. Greer this time.

 

[The Wormhole]

There is something I don't get about some of scenes involving the stones. Young banged his wife with Telford's body while knowing that his wife only sees and feels Telford's uh body. No matter how horny I was I would never bang my wife or gf with another person's body.

This has been a topic of heated debate when during discussions about the stones. To make matters even weirder, in one of the webisodes that supplement the show, we learn that people on Earth who volunteer to use the stones to swap with the Destiny crew apparentaly sign forms allowing the other person to use their bodies for sexual purposes. Seriously.

 

[cylkoth]

There is something I don't get about some of scenes involving the stones. Young banged his wife with Telford's body while knowing that his wife only sees and feels Telford's uh body. No matter how horny I was I would never bang my wife or gf with another person's body.

This has been a topic of heated debate when during discussions about the stones. To make matters even weirder, in one of the webisodes that supplement the show, we learn that people on Earth who volunteer to use the stones to swap with the Destiny crew apparentaly sign forms allowing the other person to use their bodies for sexual purposes. Seriously.

I haven't been able to decide what's creepier...using the body of someone I hated-as Young's relationship with Telford was portrayed at the start of the series, to have intimate moments with my wife, or using the body of a friend-as the end of the season seemed to imply as we learn of Telford's brainwashing, to have intimate moments with my wife...

Ewwww.