The jokes in TND were the best across the Brosnan films; while I probably prefer GoldenEye overall as a movie, TND is definitely a whole lot of fun because of the great gags.
The jokes in TND were the best across the Brosnan films; while I probably prefer GoldenEye overall as a movie, TND is definitely a whole lot of fun because of the great gags.
Well so I've been told Yaphet Kotto's very proud of it, and the role of Kananga.In a bizzare way the film might be considered progressive, the black guys being dangerous and resourseful villains in their own right rather than being just some white dudes comedy henchmen. I hope that makes sense! And Kananga is at least an equal opportunities villain. "Black or white, rich or poor, I don't discriminate."
The jokes in TND were the best across the Brosnan films; while I probably prefer GoldenEye overall as a movie, TND is definitely a whole lot of fun because of the great gags.
and Brosnan is clearly having a ball. The glee in his eyes driving the BMW from the backseat is something, for all his many talents, that still annoys me about Craig. He never looks that happy to be 007.
t'other best bit of TND?
Kauffman- "I'm just a professional, doing my job."
Bond- "So am I." Blam!
Tomorrow Never Dies actually.
"What's your man doing, M?"
"His job!"
The jokes in TND were the best across the Brosnan films; while I probably prefer GoldenEye overall as a movie, TND is definitely a whole lot of fun because of the great gags.
and Brosnan is clearly having a ball. The glee in his eyes driving the BMW from the backseat is something, for all his many talents, that still annoys me about Craig. He never looks that happy to be 007.
Yup, agreed there. Every guy wants to be Bond, the least Craig could do is grin once in a while.
(that BMW chase is great. The female german computer voice shouting instructions to "fasten seatbelt" or "reduce speed" is brilliant. And Brosnan's little chuckle in the back of the beemer when he reinflates his punctured tyres after driving over the nails he dropped is a crowning moment!)
^I think that, among Brosnan's movies, Tomorrow Never Dies gets better with age. It & The World Is Not Enough are Brosnan's best work and he's clearly having a ball in each of them. Goldeneye is a great film but Brosnan is a little stiff starting out. Sadly, he seems to be phoning it in in Die Another Day and while he's not too old for the role the way Roger Moore became by the end, he does seem to have lost some of the youthful spark that he posessed in Tomorrow Never Dies & The World Is Not Enough.
You're probably right, although to bring it back to James Bond, I recently listened to Mankiewicz's Live & Let Die commentary track during Clifton James' scenes. Unfortunately, he doesn't mention anything about bringing the character back for either The Man with the Golden Gun or Superman II. Maybe I'll give another listen to the commentary track on the Donner cut of Superman II to see if there are any clues there.
And now, reboots like Batman Begins and Casino Royale (and to a lesser extent Star Trek (2009)) have a lot to answer for. Now, it seems like sequels that exist in the same continuity yet somehow revamp the concept or bring back a long dormant franchise are referred to as "reboots" even when they aren't. I recently bought a magazine that referred to Terminator Salvation as a "reboot" even though it clearly takes place in the same continuity as the previous movies (even the much reviled Terminator 3, as evidenced by the presence of Katherine Brewster). I also occasionally hear Robert Rodriguez's new Predator movie referred to as a "remake" or "reboot" even though I don't think it is at all supposed to contradict the previous 4 Predator films. And the same thing with Ridley Scott's new Alien prequel.
Certainly Live & Let Die has fewer obnoxious racial stereotypes than the Transformers movies.
You're probably right, although to bring it back to James Bond, I recently listened to Mankiewicz's Live & Let Die commentary track during Clifton James' scenes. Unfortunately, he doesn't mention anything about bringing the character back for either The Man with the Golden Gun or Superman II. Maybe I'll give another listen to the commentary track on the Donner cut of Superman II to see if there are any clues there.
And now, reboots like Batman Begins and Casino Royale (and to a lesser extent Star Trek (2009)) have a lot to answer for. Now, it seems like sequels that exist in the same continuity yet somehow revamp the concept or bring back a long dormant franchise are referred to as "reboots" even when they aren't. I recently bought a magazine that referred to Terminator Salvation as a "reboot" even though it clearly takes place in the same continuity as the previous movies (even the much reviled Terminator 3, as evidenced by the presence of Katherine Brewster). I also occasionally hear Robert Rodriguez's new Predator movie referred to as a "remake" or "reboot" even though I don't think it is at all supposed to contradict the previous 4 Predator films. And the same thing with Ridley Scott's new Alien prequel.
Certainly Live & Let Die has fewer obnoxious racial stereotypes than the Transformers movies.
Ah, yes, the late Vincent Schiavelli in another one of his deliciously quirky roles.
"I could shoot you from SCHTUTTGART und still create ze proper effect!"
Yeah its a shame he wasn't in it more he was much more fun than Herr Stamper...
I love that he's slightly embaressed at having to ask Bond how they can get into his car!
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Good point! The recurrent theme being lazy reporting and journos opting for a 'catchphrase of the moment', methinks!
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It really depends what you are looking for in a Bond film. I always found the Moore era highly entertaining and still remain my favorite Bond films. As this is opinion there isn't a wrong answer so if anyone disagrees with me, keep it to yourself as I didn't troll you. The camp actually started in DAF with Connery, much like AVTAK was serious for a Moore film. I will start with my least favorite to my ultimate favorite.
7. Moonraker I still enjoyed but didn't find it as memorable as his other entries. This was camp turned to 11, as Jaws come off as a baffoon in this.
6. The Man with the golden gun was Moore's second outing. Christopher Lee is the main reason to watch as you sympathize with him. The director made the mistake of trying to make Moore be more like Connery in this by slapping Maud Adams. The result was Guy Hamilton didn't do another Bond film. This was the second to have southern sherrif JW Pepper, which offered some humour.
5. Live and Let Die was Roger's first and a very enjoyable outing. Great chase with a double decker bus and boat chase, dark themes of voodoo was what made this stand out. Also a great soundtrack
4. Octopussy was Roger's 6 film. A great fun adventure flick involving the KGB, an Afghan prince and a jewel thief. It went up against Never say never again with Connery in battle of the Bonds and won. Proving someone else aside for Connery could command as 007.
3. The Spy who Loved me Roger's third and what set the gold standard as a Bond blockbuster. Extremely entertaining contains great chases, soundtrack and action, probably the best opening of the whole series. Skiing off a mountain with the opening union jack parachute.
2. For your eyes only is Roger's fifth and is a grounded thriller in comparison to Moonraker. Thrilling chase sequences and a great soundtrack from Bill Conti with the best sounding gunbarrel sequence of the franchise. This was the first with director John Glen who directed all Eon 007 thru the 80's. This was the first Bond film my dad showed me at age 4, and I was hooked.
1. A view to a kill was Roger's swan song. Alot of haters for this one but I think it's highly underrated. It was the most violent of Moore's films with Walken gunning down his own men and laughing as he's doing it. It was highly entertaining and to this day remember every scene first saw it when I was 4 it was the second Bond film my dad showed me. Walken and Grace Jones best pairing of villains in my opinion, great fire truck chase sequence in San Francisco, and the best Barry score since OHMSS. TBH I love this one and would pick it over any Craig entry or Connery film.
7. Moonraker I still enjoyed but didn't find it as memorable as his other entries. This was camp turned to 11, as Jaws come off as a baffoon in this.
6. The Man with the golden gun was Moore's second outing. Christopher Lee is the main reason to watch as you sympathize with him. The director made the mistake of trying to make Moore be more like Connery in this by slapping Maud Adams. The result was Guy Hamilton didn't do another Bond film. This was the second to have southern sherrif JW Pepper, which offered some humour.
5. Live and Let Die was Roger's first and a very enjoyable outing. Great chase with a double decker bus and boat chase, dark themes of voodoo was what made this stand out. Also a great soundtrack
4. Octopussy was Roger's 6 film. A great fun adventure flick involving the KGB, an Afghan prince and a jewel thief. It went up against Never say never again with Connery in battle of the Bonds and won. Proving someone else aside for Connery could command as 007.
3. The Spy who Loved me Roger's third and what set the gold standard as a Bond blockbuster. Extremely entertaining contains great chases, soundtrack and action, probably the best opening of the whole series. Skiing off a mountain with the opening union jack parachute.
2. For your eyes only is Roger's fifth and is a grounded thriller in comparison to Moonraker. Thrilling chase sequences and a great soundtrack from Bill Conti with the best sounding gunbarrel sequence of the franchise. This was the first with director John Glen who directed all Eon 007 thru the 80's. This was the first Bond film my dad showed me at age 4, and I was hooked.
1. A view to a kill was Roger's swan song. Alot of haters for this one but I think it's highly underrated. It was the most violent of Moore's films with Walken gunning down his own men and laughing as he's doing it. It was highly entertaining and to this day remember every scene first saw it when I was 4 it was the second Bond film my dad showed me. Walken and Grace Jones best pairing of villains in my opinion, great fire truck chase sequence in San Francisco, and the best Barry score since OHMSS. TBH I love this one and would pick it over any Craig entry or Connery film.
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Ha ha! The thread from beyond the grave.
Having said that it gives me a good opportunity to see what an idiot 2009 me was.
Octopussy a good film? Idiot!
FYEO dull? Idiot!
2026 Starkers thinks like this...
1. TSWLM. Stands alongside Goldfinger an absolute iconic Bond film in terms of what we get here, set pieces, music, epic-ness etc. Moore at the top of his game.
2. Live and Let Die. Great film, great soundtrack, one of the best bunch of villains in the franchise (It's between this and Goldeneye as to which is best IMO)
3. FYEO. I was a fool for so long. Gritty and action packed, the Greek setting is lovely and this really should have been Moore's fifth and final film.
4. Moonraker. Ridiculous in almost every way yet still contains moments of incredible darkness (Corrine being chased by dogs :O) great Bond girl who unlike XXX in the previous film doesn't just turn into a damsel in distress, all this plus Michel Lonsdale's wonderfully droll villain!
5. TMWTGG. Fun but ultimately lightweight and throwaway Bond film. Unlike a lot of people I love the theme song, Christopher Lee is superb and Scaramanga and Nick Nack are a great pairing. Plus a hill I'll die on is that Goodnight is a better Bond girl than people think and has way more agency than many others.
6. AVTAK. Inoffensively bland. Walken should have been a great villain but I think he's poor, and having Bond go up against someone so young just makes Rog look even older. Terrible Bond girl just makes it worse.
7. Octopussy. More of a Carry on Film that many Carry On films. Has its moments, notably all the stuff in Germany (and contrary to many I think Bond defusing a nuke while dressed as a clown works), but good lord its terrible for the most part...
Having said that it gives me a good opportunity to see what an idiot 2009 me was.
Octopussy a good film? Idiot!
FYEO dull? Idiot!
2026 Starkers thinks like this...
1. TSWLM. Stands alongside Goldfinger an absolute iconic Bond film in terms of what we get here, set pieces, music, epic-ness etc. Moore at the top of his game.
2. Live and Let Die. Great film, great soundtrack, one of the best bunch of villains in the franchise (It's between this and Goldeneye as to which is best IMO)
3. FYEO. I was a fool for so long. Gritty and action packed, the Greek setting is lovely and this really should have been Moore's fifth and final film.
4. Moonraker. Ridiculous in almost every way yet still contains moments of incredible darkness (Corrine being chased by dogs :O) great Bond girl who unlike XXX in the previous film doesn't just turn into a damsel in distress, all this plus Michel Lonsdale's wonderfully droll villain!
5. TMWTGG. Fun but ultimately lightweight and throwaway Bond film. Unlike a lot of people I love the theme song, Christopher Lee is superb and Scaramanga and Nick Nack are a great pairing. Plus a hill I'll die on is that Goodnight is a better Bond girl than people think and has way more agency than many others.
6. AVTAK. Inoffensively bland. Walken should have been a great villain but I think he's poor, and having Bond go up against someone so young just makes Rog look even older. Terrible Bond girl just makes it worse.
7. Octopussy. More of a Carry on Film that many Carry On films. Has its moments, notably all the stuff in Germany (and contrary to many I think Bond defusing a nuke while dressed as a clown works), but good lord its terrible for the most part...
Wow, that's quite a gap. We must have at least two new Daniel Craig movies during that time...
I have to admit to being shocked that this thread didn't get clanged, especially as we already have an ongoing James Bond movie thread.
As for the Roger Moore era, it was eclectic bunch to be sure -- James Bond... IN SPACE! -- I don't feel as if there were any real clunkers in there, although some of the films were definitely better than others. It was fun.
As for the Roger Moore era, it was eclectic bunch to be sure -- James Bond... IN SPACE! -- I don't feel as if there were any real clunkers in there, although some of the films were definitely better than others. It was fun.
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IIRC, Puzo's script wasn't campy but was way too long. So the producers brought in Robert Benton, David Newman and Leslie Newman. They, in turn, produced the campy script that Mankiewicz was brought in by Donner to rewrite.
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