Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[Mr Awe]

I always liked Errand of Mercy because they have to have an external power say they're being stupid. Kor just wanted to fight as a proof of his strength and Kirk is convinced they're just wrong.

Not sure what complexity is there so I'm with how Klingons have variations of simplicity over complexity.

Well, I've detailed what I've thought of as more complex portrayals of the Klingons, particularly during TNG and DS9 earlier in this thread: differing internal politics, different classes, differing ideas of honor and how to achieve it. Obviously, we don't need to agree.

I will agree that the Organian intervention was fine given the nature of television at the time. I wouldn't be so enamored with it in a modern series.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, I've detailed what I've thought of as more complex portrayals of the Klingons, particularly during TNG and DS9 earlier in this thread: differing internal politics, different classes, differing ideas of honor and how to achieve it. Obviously, we don't need to agree.

I will agree that the Organian intervention was fine given the nature of television at the time. I wouldn't be so enamored with it in a modern series.

That's fair. I've seen both simplistic and complex throughout the various eras. I welcome the variety and any time I get Organian style intervention I'm all for it.

 

[Ceridwen]

Yes, I do get that and I've stated that in this thread several times.

My point is that it portrays the Klingons as a simplistic monoculture that is easily manipulated. I mean really, they ALL need the exact same pandering to make the obvious smart choice? A bit simplistic. I also don't think the Klingons are that dumb.

It could be worse. They could all need the exact same pandering to make the obvious bad choice (see exiling Worf to keep Duras of all people; I don't care how powerful his house is, that dude obviously sucks).