I mean, she absolutely doesn't know what her ancestor was doing in 2001. She just THOUGHT she did. Certainly she didn't know what she was before the Space Needle.
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I mean, she absolutely doesn't know what her ancestor was doing in 2001. She just THOUGHT she did. Certainly she didn't know what she was before the Space Needle.
I'm pretty sure my ranking for the Kurtzman era will be:
Lower Decks
Strange New Worlds
Starfleet Academy
Picard
Discovery
Which is not me actually hating DISCOVERY, just that the highs and lows evened out differently. Picard would be higher but every season utterly torched the previous seasons' set up.
Lower Decks
Strange New Worlds
Starfleet Academy
Picard
Discovery
Which is not me actually hating DISCOVERY, just that the highs and lows evened out differently. Picard would be higher but every season utterly torched the previous seasons' set up.
Yes the show sadly exists, but it is only canon in the minds of the ip owners who only care about the revenue it generates. Anybody with a braincell can see that the Enterprise NX-01 never existed in Trek canon before the show existed.
No, it is seeing the glaringly obvious.
What the IP owners says, goes whether you like it or not.
You've spent 20 years on this board being mad at this show for existing. What a waste of energy and a life.
They’re talking in universe. The hologram message was recorded in 2408.
Three points to digest:
- I disagree wholeheartedly.
- You’re being rude.
- And if you want to whine about Enterprise? Go to the Enterprise forum. This is the SFA forum.
Yes, we all know that the NX-01 did not exist before the show existed. And I'm pretty confident everyone who watches these shows have active brain cells, but thanks for your attempt at an insult. Stellar move there.
You know what else didn't exist before a show existed?
Deep Space 9, or Terok Nor when it belonged to the Cardassians. It existed for decades before the series premiered. We had multiple Cardassian episodes on TNG, so it should have existed by them talking about it. But there was not a single word of it.
Or how about the Cardassians themselves? The Federation was having their border wars with them for YEARS before their first appearance. Yet no word in the previous 3 seasons of TNG.
Yet DS9 is very much a part of canon, just as ENT is.
The only glaringly obvious thing is you don't like ENT. Fine, that's your take. I don't like DISCO. I think it's the worst series in the franchise currently, and it's not even close. But it is still canon, no matter what my feelings on it are. I'd love to simply excise it from canon, but I can't. I just simply don't watch it again.
If you want to debate the merits of ENT's stories, how the characters are written or portrayed, the look of the technology, etc., go for it. I do that with DISCO. But trying to go the route of 'it's not canon' simply because you don't like it is just the height of hubris. I won't even do that with DISCO because it's simply inaccurate.
If I were to rank it I would be
1 Strange New Worlds
2 Picard season 3
3 Prodigy
4 Lower Decks
5 Picard season 1
6 Academy
7 Discovery
8 Picard season 2
9 Section 31
What about Prodigy?
Right now I'm at:
1. Lower Decks
2. Picard
3. Prodigy
4. Discovery
5. Starfleet Academy
6. Strange New Worlds
7. Section 31
But really it's way too early for Academy to be in that list.
1. Lower Decks
2. Picard
3. Prodigy
4. Discovery
5. Starfleet Academy
6. Strange New Worlds
7. Section 31
But really it's way too early for Academy to be in that list.
Difficult.
Picard Season 3
Strange New Worlds Season 2
Lower Decks
Prodigy
Rest of Strange New Worlds
Academy
Discovery Season 3
Rest of Picard.
Discovery season 4 & 5
Discovery season 1 & 2
S31 Movie
A note on Discovery Season 2; the episode with the Sphere and the episode where we got to Saru's planet Kaminar are some of the best that Star Trek has ever done, but the overall coherency of the story has to be one of the worst I have ever seen on TV. I mean the disconnection between the red bursts in the first episode, which caused great damage to the Enterprise, and appeared at once throughout the galaxy and the later bursts which were done by Michael with the original burst remaining unexplained; come on guys... I know there was a change in show runners but still.
Picard Season 3
Strange New Worlds Season 2
Lower Decks
Prodigy
Rest of Strange New Worlds
Academy
Discovery Season 3
Rest of Picard.
Discovery season 4 & 5
Discovery season 1 & 2
S31 Movie
A note on Discovery Season 2; the episode with the Sphere and the episode where we got to Saru's planet Kaminar are some of the best that Star Trek has ever done, but the overall coherency of the story has to be one of the worst I have ever seen on TV. I mean the disconnection between the red bursts in the first episode, which caused great damage to the Enterprise, and appeared at once throughout the galaxy and the later bursts which were done by Michael with the original burst remaining unexplained; come on guys... I know there was a change in show runners but still.
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I don't even know how I would place either Strange New Worlds or Starfleet Academy into a ranking structure right now.
When Strange New World's first began, I felt it had the possibility to rival DS9 as my new favorite Trek. Three seasons in, I don't even remotely see that being the case. Just over midway through, and I'm fearful that it will ultimately feel like Voyager to me -- filled with lost potential and wasted opportunity. A lot of that has to do with them hurriedly wrapping up all over their running story lines in a unsatisfactory manner because they weren't sure if they were going to get a season 4, but ultimately it has brought down my opinion of the show as a whole to this point. We will see if seasons four and five can mount a recovery.
I'm in a similar place with Academy. Out of the gate, I'm enjoying it immensely with only one so-so episode so far and if it can keep this up I would rank it very high.
As I may have already said at one point, one of the things I'm enjoying about Academy is that it's not trying to reinvent the wheel. Discovery was trying too hard to be prestige tv, Picard leaned too hard into backwards looking nostalgia and fan service and Strange New Worlds has been leaning too far into forward-looking nostalgia and gimmick episodes. Starfleet Academy is just trying to be Star Trek set at a school, and that's refreshing.
When Strange New World's first began, I felt it had the possibility to rival DS9 as my new favorite Trek. Three seasons in, I don't even remotely see that being the case. Just over midway through, and I'm fearful that it will ultimately feel like Voyager to me -- filled with lost potential and wasted opportunity. A lot of that has to do with them hurriedly wrapping up all over their running story lines in a unsatisfactory manner because they weren't sure if they were going to get a season 4, but ultimately it has brought down my opinion of the show as a whole to this point. We will see if seasons four and five can mount a recovery.
I'm in a similar place with Academy. Out of the gate, I'm enjoying it immensely with only one so-so episode so far and if it can keep this up I would rank it very high.
As I may have already said at one point, one of the things I'm enjoying about Academy is that it's not trying to reinvent the wheel. Discovery was trying too hard to be prestige tv, Picard leaned too hard into backwards looking nostalgia and fan service and Strange New Worlds has been leaning too far into forward-looking nostalgia and gimmick episodes. Starfleet Academy is just trying to be Star Trek set at a school, and that's refreshing.
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Agreed on both points, SNW was great and is still fun (it also as My Guy, Sam Kirk) but it feels like it lost its way in Season 3 somewhat. For me it was the arc that lost me.
Academy has me in the same spot I was in S1 of SNW and its come along at a point where I need these characters. If it can keep this up, it may end up being my favourite - and Ake and Thok may make into my Top 5 favourite characters.
Agreed about the characters. And extending that to Strange New Worlds, that show largely feels like it's just filling in blanks for characters that we already know and whose futures are already written, while Academy is introducing us to new characters whose ultimate arcs and journeys we know nothing about. Strange New Worlds is about "how do they get there", while Academy is about "where are they going?"
Thok really is great, she's the type of straight-up fun character that's been largely absent from the last decade of Star Trek (and a lot of genre TV in general). I like all the cadets, especially Caleb and SAM, but honestly I'd just watch 50 minutes of Thok each week.
Ake, Thok, Reno, Doctor and Vance are where the show is at for me. I am enjoying the core cadets for the most part but for me they aren't the show's heart.
I also don't know where I would place Academy on a ranking scale, I need to see the season through first to get a good judgement. I am thoroughly having a good time but if the finale disappoints that can have a big impact but currently no cause for concern. And not every show has been consistent quality so I would have to divide up the seasons and then it would only be fair to divide them all up which is a complicated task.
I also don't know where I would place Academy on a ranking scale, I need to see the season through first to get a good judgement. I am thoroughly having a good time but if the finale disappoints that can have a big impact but currently no cause for concern. And not every show has been consistent quality so I would have to divide up the seasons and then it would only be fair to divide them all up which is a complicated task.
'Gene' manipulation was outlawed after the Eugenics Wars
Yeah. Well STD had that idiotic fun house turbolift. Lol. Kurtzman always goes stupider.
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