Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x09 - "Terrarium"

[Noname Given]

2001 wants its complaint back.

1993 has first dibs.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Mirror Universe isn't Bizarro World. Its residents have many of the same characteristics and skills as their Prime Universe counterparts. Musk would just be Musk with less restraints and morals.

Yeah, Mirror Worf wasn't evil in DS9, he was a generic Klingon.

Mirror Garek felt like any other cardassian solider, there wasn't anything Garek about him.

 

[Tuskin38]

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Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonso Myers talked about how "Terrarium" changed everything for the Gorn.

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[Paul755]

Ugh

 

[fireproof78]

Exclusive: ‘Strange New Worlds’ Showrunners Explain How They Just Rewrote Star Trek History

Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonso Myers talked about how "Terrarium" changed everything for the Gorn.

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Dig it.

 

[Donald G]

Exclusive: ‘Strange New Worlds’ Showrunners Explain How They Just Rewrote Star Trek History

Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonso Myers talked about how "Terrarium" changed everything for the Gorn.

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It looks like I gave Goldsman and Meyers too much credit in thinking that the idea behind "altering perceptions of the Gorn" in a future encounter was more metaphorical and less pedestrianly literal and unimaginative.

 

[Paul755]

It feels like unnecessary hoop jumping

 

[fireproof78]

It feels like unnecessary hoop jumping

Well, when you're trying to please fans you will do that.

At least it does something interesting with a relatively midline TOS episode.

 

[Farscape One]

Exclusive: ‘Strange New Worlds’ Showrunners Explain How They Just Rewrote Star Trek History

Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonso Myers talked about how "Terrarium" changed everything for the Gorn.

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Oh, for f...

(Picard double face palm)


I wish we could change our votes, because the interview just knocked this episode down from a 6.5 to a 5.5. (Since there are no decimals in these votes, my 7 is now a 6.)

 

[Paul755]

Well, when you're trying to please fans you will do that.

At least it does something interesting with a relatively midline TOS episode.

they could have just used the simplest explanation that there are different species of Gorn. It’s so simple.

 

[fireproof78]

they could have just used the simplest explanation that there are different species of Gorn. It’s so simple.

Sure, but where's the fun in that?

 

[Paul755]

C’mon…you know we can’t have fun here.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Can you point to the dialogue that says it didn’t?

Can you point out to the dialogue that says something so monumental did?

He cannot.

And is misusing "canon," again. If the claim had any basis in fact, it would mean something like "attention to detailed continuity went out the window when..."

LOL no.

Even CONTINUITY isn't violated by Klingon first contact happening on Earth. Because we didn't know where it even happened until September 26, 2001.

I am an ENT apologist too, but there are things ENT did that rewrote a whole lot of the future history of Trek.

 

[Sakonna]

"You won't remember me, and perhaps someday we may need to reset your perception of the Gorn as well." Potentially confusing pronoun usage, but the Metron does several times use "you" to refer to "all of humanity/Gornity" and not just specifically Ortegas and Gornette.

To me, that also sounded like setup for later erasing all of humanity's memories of the Gorn, to make all the continuity track perfectly.

I have to disagree.

Exclusive: ‘Strange New Worlds’ Showrunners Explain How They Just Rewrote Star Trek History

Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonso Myers talked about how "Terrarium" changed everything for the Gorn.

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I came here to post this link in response to your post, but you've already posted it yourself! The efficiency of the TrekBBS.

It is an embarrassingly awful idea.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Can you point out to the dialogue that says something so monumental did?

I don't have to, as you're the one making the claim that ENT somehow broke "canon" and contradicted the line from "First Contact."

I am an ENT apologist too, but there are things ENT did that rewrote a whole lot of the future history of Trek.

No, it "rewrote" your head canon.

 

[Farscape One]

I came here to post this link in response to your post, but you've already posted it yourself! The efficiency of the TrekBBS.

It is an embarrassingly awful idea.

An idea awful enough that my episode score is lowered.

Really, sometimes the writers should just be quiet.

 

[Trekker4747]

It's an "idea" that just remains something theoretical until it actually "happens." I maintain that they Metron was foreshadowing "Arena" rather than stating actual forced change through god-like powers or technology.

If an episode of the future confirms the physical interaction I will change my views.

 

[Tomalak]

Watched this episode last night, and thought it was generally fine until that last scene with the Metron.

Completely unnecessary, and I feared it was setting up a big reset button. I found it really quite embarrassing, and writers shouldn't feel forced to shoehorn in this kind of stuff which undermines their own stories.

Which kind of goes to show that they are their own worst enemies. They could quite easily have done exactly the same stories with absolutely no issues at all, had they simply not called this particular species "Gorn". Call them the Nrog, and they've added a new species to the rich tapestry of Star Trek with no need for convoluted explanations. Everyone's happy.

 

[fireproof78]

Can you point out to the dialogue that says something so monumental did?

LOL no.

I am an ENT apologist too, but there are things ENT did that rewrote a whole lot of the future history of Trek.

Ent straight up rewrote Star Trek continuity from the word go. It's not connected to TOS at all. New timeline and all that razzle dazzle.

C’mon…you know we can’t have fun here.

Oh, that much is painfully apparent.