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Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread
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Given that season 5 is filming later this year, the budget and schedules are already locked in for the six episodes they got. Trying to add more would be a logistical nightmare.
Money is still tight as Skydance makes their adjustments. Unless they see a huge swing up to the service it's probably not getting much more. Maybe a streaming film.
Skydance has said theere won't be any more Streaming films. Any Star Trek related films they make will be for Theatrical release.
In an interview Henry Alonso Myers intimated that to get the 5th season of SNW many people had to do things to make it happen (and onne day he'll be able o say what) - so I have a feeling the entire cast agreed to take less in certain types of compenstaion and Paramount took all teh concessions - said "We can give you this amount of a Budget for a SNW %th Season and they canme back with:
"Okay, we can make 6 episodes given that Budget.."
So that's what was agreed to and announced.
So unless the new Skydance/Paramount see something really amazing with respect to viewership; AND they inforo the Poducers immediately the six episodes are already all in pre production and they probably are linked together in a more serial way to wrap up the story they want to tell with SNW and maybe do a little setup for Kirk Year One - which yeah, I donb't thik has a chance in hell of being greenlit; but yeah, they're going to do some sort of handoff scene with Kirk I'll bet.
But yeah, we'll see it in 2027.
2265--
Una: The Enterprise should be mine! I'm the first officer and now that Chris is getting promoted I'm the logical choice to be captain.
Kirk: Ahem. Go ahead and do that then. If you really want the most famous ship in the fleet to be commanded by an... augment.
Una: Why you no-good, stuck-up, Iowan farm...
(Admiral April turns pale permanently from embarassment, but ultimately gives the Enterprise to Kirk)
Una: The Enterprise should be mine! I'm the first officer and now that Chris is getting promoted I'm the logical choice to be captain.
Kirk: Ahem. Go ahead and do that then. If you really want the most famous ship in the fleet to be commanded by an... augment.
Una: Why you no-good, stuck-up, Iowan farm...
(Admiral April turns pale permanently from embarassment, but ultimately gives the Enterprise to Kirk)
Una needs to be made a full commander first
Nielsen ratings for July 21 - July 27 are now out.
Strange New Worlds dropped to 9th on the list. Thats the bad news.
The good news is it hit a high for Trek in Total minutes watched eclipsing last weeks 471 million minutes viewed with 472 million minutes viewed....
Now in fairness there are a few heavy hitters that will be hitting the weekly charts next week and later, so it's quite possible that SNW will not track in the top ten. As I expect the threshold to hit the top might eclipse the ratings SNW has got for the last two weeks. But that's just a guess (slash fear), or that any declines that occur in later weeks is enough to keep it out of the top ten.
Strange New Worlds dropped to 9th on the list. Thats the bad news.
The good news is it hit a high for Trek in Total minutes watched eclipsing last weeks 471 million minutes viewed with 472 million minutes viewed....
Now in fairness there are a few heavy hitters that will be hitting the weekly charts next week and later, so it's quite possible that SNW will not track in the top ten. As I expect the threshold to hit the top might eclipse the ratings SNW has got for the last two weeks. But that's just a guess (slash fear), or that any declines that occur in later weeks is enough to keep it out of the top ten.
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Two big things.
1. It's quite possible that ratings / financing aren't the primary factor with the cancellation.
Skydance seem really focused on getting Trek back in a theatrical window. If they wish to tell Kirk era stories (or Kirk related stories), they might not wish to dilute that appeal by having Kirk era tv productions on Paramount+.
There are three real solid choices for theatrical releases.
A. Completely original tales with characters not related to other Trek works.
B. TOS related characters, either be it a reboot or a continuation of say the JJverse.
C. TNG related characters, very likely a reboot.
If B is what they are initially thinking of they very likely would not want a competing similar style program with similar era and characters to be on a weekly streaming service. And certainly wouldn't want to be throwing tens of millions of dollars, when they would rather spend that money (and much more) on a theatrical release.
And just to be clear, if they do a TOS style tale its very, very unlikely it would include the cast of SNW.
2. If it is a ratings issue, not related to long term development plans. Understand that Paramount, would have made the cancellation based off of how Trek has performed on the service. Which means they would be judging the typical year to year chance of things like Season 1 to 2 of SNW, seasons of Picard, and how Discover's performance changed over time. Those would all be data points they we don't have a single shred of information on. As Nielsen only released data for 6 weeks of Picard's finale season, only the 6th season of Discovery and only season 2 of SNW.
This season for SNW is the only time that Nielsen has tracked season to season changes. Now of course Paramount does have their own in house data for everything that has ever aired on Paramount +. So they would have a good idea of what has been the typical pattern for shows with a multiple season in Trek.
Thanks to Covid giving a longer then typical wait between seasons it would be very easy to expect SNW to suffer a ratings decline due to that delay.
Of course what has happened so far at least is not a decline but a significant improvement. So far roughly a larger then 35% increase to date over the average (or the weeks that we have data for) of what SNW did in season 3.
Now if costs/ finances and ratings are the primary factor. Its quite possible that if Trek maintains this level of improvement (which is not a sure thing by any stretch), It might give them the idea to go with extending some of the cast with Kirk in a year one situation that's is being floated around. Or even them just not destroying the sets, to give them time to see if its a viable idea.
No, it's good news that the minutes stayed relatively unchanged. It's actually great news!
Ratings don't matter now to anyone other Kurtzman because I am pretty sure we will be having more Trek one way or another because it is a popular brand. I am very doubtful though he will be part of it much longer. New leadership usually brings in their own people and I don't see why it would be different in this situation. Right now I am just grateful to have a good Star Trek show on tv.
Smart leadership tends not to disrupt a system that's working, and like it or not, Kurtzman's reign over the Trek franchise has been mostly positive for everyone with only one real misstep, Section 31. There's no reason to dismiss him at this time.
No movies though. I think that is the big one. Even though I personally feel like Trek's natural home will always be tv.
So they'll bring in someone else to look after the movies while Kurtzman continues taking care of the TV end.
No, they still matter because they still affect the rates that can be charged for anyone wanting to buy a slot of commercials when they stream an SNW episode on PLUTO TV (which Paramount often does.)
I actually heard that was one idea they might do. My guess though is it will in the end come down to the ratings of SNW and especially The Academy series, if they will keep him or not.
Ummm... You seem to be forgetting that Mr. Kurtzman and the "new leadership" (Mr. David Ellison) already have a long standing relationship that goes all the way back to Star Trek-09.
Onscreen graphics in this week's episode say the NCC-1701 is 442 meters long. Even the TOS version has to be that size. Look at cutaways like this one. Kirk's 1701 and Pike's are the same overall size.
This is not a 289-meter-long vessel.
This is not a 289-meter-long vessel.
442 makes perfect sense now.
One of the few things they have actually said, post acquisition, is that TV and Movies will not be operated separately. Ellison and Goldberg are on the record as being very frustrated by that back in 2015.
Skydance came onboard for Into Darkness, but the point stands
Well that would be a dumb decision if so. The smart move is to let the Kelvin universe go, it's been fallow too long and the paycheck negotiation would be a nightmare. Ever think we'll see a Trek movie where Uhura gets the highest paycheck?
Anyway, the smart move is to make the Kirk show and then do a theatrical movie every year after filming the season finale. That way the movies act as advertising for the show and by extension, Paramount+. The movies are cheaper to make because you already have standing sets and a crew, so if they only make 200 million that's way more room for profit. The show gets to keep whatever assets are made for the movies, so they get upgrades "for free". And there's only one Kirk and Company at a time so no audience confusion.
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