Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[Manticore]

There's nothing in TOS that says that Hemmer had to die, or that Pelia has to die. Plus they chose to kill him off in season 1, years before TOS, and replace him with another chief engineer who isn't Scotty, so it doesn't seem like continuity had any influence on his fate.

Yeah, if they want to make room for a TOS character, they just have to have a character reassigned. I don't think that any deaths are just to make room for their TOS characters.

 

[Dukhat]

I see no evidence to support that in Hemmer's case. If one of the show runners said that was the reason then fine, but it seems like you're picking something to be mad about because you want to be mad.

Well, that’s my right as a Star Trek fan. I don’t like prequels, and I don’t like creative stifling based on canon considerations. If your interpretation of that differs from mine, so be it.

 

[Yistaan]

Well, that’s my right as a Star Trek fan. I don’t like prequels, and I don’t like creative stifling based on canon considerations. If your interpretation of that differs from mine, so be it.

If the story is good, does it matter if it's a prequel? I think everyone knew going into watch Revenge of the Sith what was going to happen, but that didn't lessen it's box office intake or its enduring popularity. The other 2 SW prequels are disliked not because they're prequels, but because the stories just aren't that good.

 

[Tuskin38]

Perhaps the actor didn't want to keep wearing the makeup longer term? I just thought it was a decision to help develop Uhura's journey towards self-belief.

The character was created to be “done in one” and the actor contracted for the single season. The actor was well liked and brought back in season 2 in other roles.

Yes, he knew from day one that Hemmer was going to be killed off.

 

[Dukhat]

If the story is good, does it matter if it's a prequel?

Almost every prequel I’ve seen was nowhere near as good as whatever it was a prequel to. That’s just my subjective opinion, but it is what it is.

 

[fireproof78]

the story is good, does it matter if it's a prequel?

Nope.

I've enjoyed some prequels, and been annoyed by others. But, I also take a prequel first as a story in of its own right, and then see how it connects, not does it connect well.

It's why the Star Wars prequels, and Rogue One, are a struggle for me. As stand alone stories they are not good.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Almost every prequel I’ve seen was nowhere near as good as whatever it was a prequel to. That’s just my subjective opinion, but it is what it is.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom is a prequel, so maybe you have a point.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Good prequels: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, X-Men: First Class, Andor, Enterprise season 4.

Bad prequels: X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Phantom Menace, Enterprise season 1.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, that’s my right as a Star Trek fan. I don’t like prequels, and I don’t like creative stifling based on canon considerations. If your interpretation of that differs from mine, so be it.

Something from the show runners supporting your position would be nice. Nothing I recall has ever claimed the decision was canon based. You were quite adamant about accurate information a few days ago when someone couldn't provide a concrete answer for when Season 5 might start filming.

 

[Dukhat]

Something from the show runners supporting your position would be nice. Nothing I recall has ever claimed the decision was canon based. You were quite adamant about accurate information a few days ago when someone couldn't provide a concrete answer for when Season 5 might start filming.

I’m stating my opinion that I don’t like prequels, especially Star Trek prequels, because I believe they are stifled by what came before. What the showrunners’ plan was has nothing to do with that opinion. If they don’t feel stifled, good for them. I’m making my judgements based on my interpretation of the material.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I’m stating my opinion that I don’t like prequels, especially Star Trek prequels, because I believe they are stifled by what came before. What the showrunners’ plan was has nothing to do with that opinion. If they don’t feel stifled, good for them. I’m making my judgements based on what I’ve seen.

You've claimed the decision to killed Hemmer was based on canon. So far you've yet to support that statement. Your dislike of prequels is a separate matter.

 

[Dukhat]

You've claimed the decision to killed Hemmer was based on canon. So far you've yet to support that statement. Your dislike of prequels is a separate matter.

Sooner or later they have to get rid of the character, because by TOS he is no longer the chief engineer. They wouldn’t have had to do that if they felt they didn’t need to follow the canon that SNW is a prequel to TOS. And I felt his death was unnecessary.

 

[Dukhat]

When they killed off Airiam on Discovery, everybody was like, "why should I care, It's a character that they didn't develop and I know nothing about?"

So they give everybody exactly what they were asking for, and they still bitch and find reasons to be mad. It just goes to show that you can never please anybody and you should never cater to people who can't be pleased. It's an exercise of utility

No offense, but comparing Airiam to Hemmer is like apples and oranges.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Sooner or later they have to get rid of the character, because by TOS he is no longer the chief engineer. They wouldn’t have had to do that if they felt they didn’t need to follow the canon that SNW is a prequel to TOS. And I felt his death was unnecessary.

Should they then have not had a chief engineer at all?

 

[Pauln6]

Every show is uneven. Much of TOS is mediocre, some is good, some is amazing, and a few are bad. SNW hasn't had any bad episodes, although it has had some annoying plot elements that crunched canon underfoot. It has also had some good and some amazing episodes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sooner or later they have to get rid of the character, because by TOS he is no longer the chief engineer. They wouldn’t have had to do that if they felt they didn’t need to follow the canon that SNW is a prequel to TOS. And I felt his death was unnecessary.

It served a purpose in the plot. Same as the death of any character. You seem be ascribing a motivation that doesn't exist.
Yes, Hemmer could have stayed for the entire five year run. But they didn't want that because they wanted to set up the dead mentor element for Uhura.

 

[Dukhat]

Good prequels: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, X-Men: First Class, Andor, Enterprise season 4.

Bad prequels: X-Men Origins: Wolverine, The Phantom Menace, Enterprise season 1.

Technically, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly isn’t a prequel, because Clint Eastwood isn’t supposed to be playing the same character as in A Fistful of Dollars. That was just a later retcon.

 

[1001001]

Good prequels: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, X-Men: First Class, Andor, Enterprise season 4.

Better Call Saul.

Might be the best prequel ever.

Lucky (for me) I care not one bit about the “differences” between TOS and SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

It served a purpose in the plot. Same as the death of any character. You seem be ascribing a motivation that doesn't exist.
Yes, Hemmer could have stayed for the entire five year run. But they didn't want that because they wanted to set up the dead mentor element for Uhura.

The first couple of episodes I watched involved deaths of characters.

It's for drama not canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Better Call Saul.

Might be the best prequel ever.

Lucky (for me) I care not one bit about the “differences” between TOS and SNW.

Andor.