Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[Detached Nacelle]

Circling back to the episode, my incapable-of-letting-things-go brain has come up with a rickety headcanon for the Gorn variants we've seen thus far. These parasitic Gorn in SNW operate to cleanse the nearby regions and then go into hibernation until needed again. The more civilised Gorn types like Slar and the one from Arena are the ones running the Hegemony and deploy their bioweapon cousins when they need to do some interstellar gerrymandering.

 

[Yistaan]

The more civilised Gorn types like Slar and the one from Arena are the ones running the Hegemony and deploy their bioweapon cousins when they need to do some interstellar gerrymandering.

They also probably reproduce differently since Kelvin McCoy talked about performing caesarian on a pregnant Gorn (admittedly the tie-in game literally had those Gorn coming from another galaxy but oh well)

 

[fireproof78]

Since it's considered a hegemony why not multiple species from multiple planets or originally from outside the galaxy?

Why does it only have to be one species? How 3 dimensional.

 

[Fateor]

No it doesn't. The aggressive ones are just the juveniles, the few adults we've seen have not acted the same as their young.

*points at the adults being controlled by magic solar flares*

Quite right. Somehow this version of the gorn need humanoid for food and to store their young? Also they somehow developed advanced tech better than starfleet? How are they doing all this like constantly having fi find food sources and incubators for the their eggs. Badly written. Give me the slow moving Gorn any day.

You'd think the writers would know that humanoids are horrible sources of food due to how long they take to mature...

I have to say that I’m curious as to how they reproduced on their home planet before achieving space travel and using aliens as hosts. Was there some other race on their planet that they laid eggs inside of?

Given the speed of Gorn hatchling development whatever they were would need to breed like tribbles.

 

[Finn]

They seemed to breed slowly compared to Tribbles

 

[Finn]

I have to say that I’m curious as to how they reproduced on their home planet before achieving space travel and using aliens as hosts. Was there some other race on their planet that they laid eggs inside of?

Each other. They may not have been unified in the past...and using other lifeforms on their planet.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Then you must really dislike every Star Trek series in existence.

They can't even keep track of their own continuity which is extreme laziness on their part.

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[fireproof78]

HAHAHA...

Oh my goodness. If I had a dollar for every show I love that couldn't keep it's own continuity I'd be rich. MASH, Night Court, Rules of Engagement, Star Trek (TOS), TNG, Star Wars, and that's off the top of my head.

 

[Dukhat]

Each other. They may not have been unified in the past...and using other lifeforms on their planet.

I’m not really buying that theory.

 

[Finn]

It's a tv show. I stopped thinking about it hard after Hemmer died.

 

[Daedalus]

I’m not really buying that theory.

I don't know about this continuity, but in the Kelvin Timeline they can give birth.

And if it split off from the original timeline, then uh..

 

[Dukhat]

It's a tv show. I stopped thinking about it hard after Hemmer died.

I don’t blame you.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Star Wars' and George Lucas' vaunted continuity and from the OT and Prequels doesn't hold up very well as late as, oh, The Empire Strikes Back. The moment Lucas retconned Darth Vader to be not just the villain who killed Luke Skywalker's father BUT in actuality Luke's father was the day everything in that universe was also up for grabs.

Need I reference Luke winning the favor of the beautiful Princess of Alderaan in Episode IV?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You know, each Trekkie comes equipped with one of the most advanced nitpicking kits in the known universe.

Let me open mine...

* takes case out from drawer, opens it, and swings up the various trays *

Pike very specifically asks Uhura to "repeat April's last order." The fix is that the total communication received at the end of the season two finale contained two or more orders. Clearly, Pike is preparing to disobey the intent of the whole package of orders. But he's giving himself at least some sort of out under which he can say that he followed the final order in the package literally, whether it needs to be lifted out of the context of the whole communication to make that a true thing or not.

Humor, it is a difficult concept. The word immediately in the line "But he didn't say immediately," is obviously a reference to the line Uhura spoke in the season two finale about April ordering their "immediate withdrawal." Pike didn't just pull his question about whether the final order said withdrawal was to occur immediately out of thin air. He was fishing for the out he needed. And, yes, that's humorous, because fishing for a way to apply literal-mindedness to achieve the result he wants is, basically, humorous.

Focusing on what the final order in the package says is also setting himself up to play the ol' but-the-communication-was-garbled gambit, should it have to come to that.

* calmly polishes the various tools in the kit and puts it back in its drawer *

You're welcome!

 

[Richard S. Ta]

They can't even keep track of their own continuity which is extreme laziness on their part.

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So what?

 

[The Wormhole]

They can't even keep track of their own continuity which is extreme laziness on their part.

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Major Grin, ugh.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Major Grin, ugh.

Yeah, posting a Major Grin video is not the flex that some people seem to think it is. Just another toxic gatekeeping Thermian.

 

[The Wormhole]

Hell, at this point, I feel ashamed just recognizing what Major Grin is.

 

[Campe]

They can't even keep track of their own continuity which is extreme laziness on their part.

Reposting from the "Wedding Bell Blues" thread:

"The Squire of Gothos" hints at Star Trek being about 800 years in our future. But we ignore that because its generally accepted to be in the 23rd century as stated in an onscreen title at the beginning of The Wrath of Khan. Nevermind the dialogue of that same movie suggests that Khan was royalty "on Earth 200 years ago," but also referenced directly the year 1996. Its also a fairly commonly held belief that The Wrath of Khan takes place in the year 2285. So, is the opening intertitle "In the 23rd Century..." correct? Was Khan put into exile in 1996? Or was Khan royalty on Earth in the year 2085? These can't all be true.

To your point then: Were the filmmakers behind The Wrath of Khan just suffering from "extreme laziness on their part?"

 

[Turtletrekker]

I've come to the realization that most complaints about about "lazy writing" actually equate to "they didn't do what I wanted them to do" and dismiss them accordingly.