Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

I think what is interesting is we have seen plenty of alternate timelines in Trek. Many of them fixed at the end of the episode to restore the timeline but the Abrams movies was Trek's first ever divergent timeline in that time travel was used to create a new timeline that would not be erased at the end but instead continue on following it's own unique path. Thus it does bring in questions about time travel in Trek we aren't used to asking with the other time travel episodes and movies.

Parallels seems to be the first ever to me, as well as the Mirror Universe or Lazarus' universe.

 

[Jayson1]

Those are alternate timelines but not timelines that were altered by time travel. Though it is possible their was a divergent point at some point but that is unknown.

 

[fireproof78]

Those are alternate timelines but not timelines that were altered by time travel. Though it is possible their was a divergent point at some point but that is unknown.

We literally don't know so I'm disinclined to say Kelvin was the first.

 

[Jayson1]

Me to though ironically it is the most realistic outcome I I think if time travel was real due to the grandfather paradox.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Me to though ironically it is the most realistic outcome I I think if time travel was real due to the grandfather paradox.

You're your own grandpa?

 

[cooleddie74]

That's what happens when you monkey with your own DNA.

 

[Jayson1]

You're your own grandpa?

So your saying I won't die a virgin! Finally some good news!

 

[Nerys Myk]

So your saying I won't die a virgin! Finally some good news!

And more good news, you've already met her.

 

[Caretaker]

There are no rules to fictional time travel. Abrams thought it through just fine, and the movie goes along with his intent.

For the Kelvin films, Orci and Kurtzman had a different take on time travel than Pegg's take (O&K were "one point, everything was the same until that point" and P was "wibbly, wobbly, lots of time travel so everything is different"). It wasn't until later (the Spock Reflections?) comics that the IDW writers went with Pegg's take.

 

[Yistaan]

For the Kelvin films, Orci and Kurtzman had a different take on time travel than Pegg's take (O&K were "one point, everything was the same until that point" and P was "wibbly, wobbly, lots of time travel so everything is different"). It wasn't until later (the Spock Reflections?) comics that the IDW writers went with Pegg's take.

Pegg only went the "everything is different" route in response to complaints about Kelvin Sulu being gay when Prime Sulu expressed interest in women in TAS and in Ilia in TMP. The irony being it wasn't necessary because Sulu was probably a genetically different person between universes having been born after 2233, but maybe Pegg didn't want to go on record saying his Sulu was a different Sulu (not that what he said was much better and it was basically the same thing anyway)

And everyone in the conversation apparently forgot bisexuality is a thing.

 

[Tuskin38]

Now that Section 31 is out, I wonder when we'll get news on Season 3's release...

 

[The Wormhole]

Disco's April premiere was announced in early February last year, so fingers crossed in a week or so we might get an April premiere date for SNW S3 announced.

 

[JLA]

Disco's April premiere was announced in early February last year, so fingers crossed in a week or so we might get an April premiere date for SNW S3 announced.

I'm very much looking forward to it.

 

[Mudd]

My explanation for April requires the least hand-waving.

It's actually ridiculous and completely unobservant. It "explains" nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.

You really think the difference between that cartoon character and Adrian Holmes is "melanin levels?"

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I think that is because Abrams didn't fully think through what impact a time travel change would have on a universe were so much time travel is already in play. You can literally change the past by changing something in the future.

Well you got me curious.... How can I change the past by changing things in the future?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

For instance, by rescuing somebody who will in turn travel backwards to rescue somebody else.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

For instance, by rescuing somebody who will in turn travel backwards to rescue somebody else.

Hmmmmmm but I thought Jayson meant something else entirely

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

In the Kelvin Timeline Dr Gillian Taylor may have never left present day San Francisco, Rios and his wife never formed the Mariposas, some poor guy never shot himself with a phaser, Data's head was never left in a cave... etc.

 

[Jayson1]

Well you got me curious.... How can I change the past by changing things in the future?

Lets say you travel to the future from the 24th century and kill Daniels before he can travel to the past and meet Archer. Archer never meets Daniels and thus the future changes from what we saw. The issue is this means the future now doesn't have someone to send to the future to kill Daniels but it's possible that since the future is changed Daniels is no longer born in this new timeline and thus your now in a completely new timeline that stats from the moment that Archer doesn't meet Daniels.

Of course the funny thing is the Voyager crew was once sent back to the big bang so basically any time travel would change how even the big bang happened in theory.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Of course the funny thing is the Voyager crew was once sent back to the big bang so basically any time travel would change how even the big bang happened in theory.

The what???????????????? What season?