Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Yistaan]

Spock: The obvious visual evidence, Commissioner, is that this photo is of the same person as the other.

Bele: Are you blind, Mr. Spock? Well, look at the photos. Look at the photos!

Kirk: You've a photo of Robert April in 2259 on the left side and a photo of Robert April in 2270 on the right side.

Bele: Robert April is black on the left photo.

Kirk: I fail to see the significant difference.

Bele: Robert April is white on the right photo. All of his photos are black in 2259 and white in 2270!

(Kirk and Spock stare at the photos trying to see these differences about Robert April that Bele is so fixated on).

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

You'd notice in a heartbeat if SNW brought Bele and Lokai back and flipped Bele though!

 

[Campe]

I really wouldn’t.

 

[Yistaan]

Tons of Batman fans noticed when a Batman manga, that apparently flipped the usual Japanese right to left orientation to the western left to right style for the English localization resultingly had Two-Face's scarred half on the wrong side.

 

[Turtletrekker]

You'd notice in a heartbeat if SNW brought Bele and Lokai back and flipped Bele though!

It's been done.

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"Here Today". TNG Magazine The Enterprise finally reaches the legendary Faltos — but it may not be able to leave! Plus, clues to Lt. Data's past come to light. Captain's log, stardate 41753.8 The USS Enterprise is on the verge of space sector 902 and on the verge of documenting the existence of...

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[Yistaan]

It's been done.

Here Today

"Here Today". TNG Magazine The Enterprise finally reaches the legendary Faltos — but it may not be able to leave! Plus, clues to Lt. Data's past come to light. Captain's log, stardate 41753.8 The USS Enterprise is on the verge of space sector 902 and on the verge of documenting the existence of...

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Somehow I find it hilarious that the publisher of this comic, DC, that got Bele wrong is the same company that obviously has botched Two-Face more than once as I mentioned in my last post.

 

[Jayson1]

Does this make Enterprise out of continuity?

With the nature of time travel it does mean Enterprise must have happened somewhat different in the Kelvin TImeline. For example we don't even know they will have a Temporal Cold War which means no Suliban and no Klingon crashing in Oklahoma. Yet I think it's safe to say things still played out someone similar because that tends to be how these alternate universes work. A Ferengi crashed in Texas making Archer want to take him home. Trip had a eye patch. T'Pol was married to Soval etc.

 

[Yistaan]

With the nature of time travel it does mean Enterprise must have happened somewhat different in the Kelvin TImeline. For example we don't even know they will have a Temporal Cold War which means no Suliban and no Klingon crashing in Oklahoma. Yet I think it's safe to say things still played out someone similar because that tends to be how these alternate universes work. A Ferengi crashed in Texas making Archer want to take him home. Trip had a eye patch. T'Pol was married to Soval etc.

Maybe Future Guy is Kelvin timeline Archer. Kelvin timeline Scotty doing in his dog obviously sent him down a dark path.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Archer's so pissed about his dog that he spends centuries figuring out a way to make it so that the Federation will never exist to give Scotty a job.

 

[Dukhat]

With the nature of time travel it does mean Enterprise must have happened somewhat different in the Kelvin TImeline. For example we don't even know they will have a Temporal Cold War which means no Suliban and no Klingon crashing in Oklahoma. Yet I think it's safe to say things still played out someone similar because that tends to be how these alternate universes work. A Ferengi crashed in Texas making Archer want to take him home. Trip had a eye patch. T'Pol was married to Soval etc.

Abrams' intent was that the timelines were exactly the same up until the Narada incursion, which was borne out in the film. So the events of ENT would have been the same as well.

 

[Jayson1]

Abrams' intent was that the timelines were exactly the same up until the Narada incursion. So the events of ENT would have been the same as well.

I think that is because Abrams didn't fully think through what impact a time travel change would have on a universe were so much time travel is already in play. You can literally change the past by changing something in the future.

 

[Dukhat]

I think that is because Abrams didn't full think through what impact a time travel change would have on a universe were so much time travel is already in play. You can literally change the past by changing something in the future.

There are no rules to fictional time travel. Abrams thought it through just fine, and the movie goes along with his intent.

 

[Yistaan]

I think that is because Abrams didn't fully think through what impact a time travel change would have on a universe were so much time travel is already in play. You can literally change the past by changing something in the future.

You've been watching too much Star Trek Picard Season 2.

 

[fireproof78]

Q did it.

 

[Yistaan]

(The DS9 gang go time traveling with Scotty after the series finale)

Kira: That's Robert April?

Waitress: All right. You all have had enough.

Nog: Mister Scott?

Scotty: That is Robert April, laddie, and it is a long story.

Worf: What happened? Some kind of viral mutation?

Kira: Genetic engineering?

Scotty: We humans do not discuss it with outsiders.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Maybe the spaghetti mess of time travel explains the huge coincidences in the Kelvin Timeline (and the stickiness of events in Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow). The familiar Enterprise crew just happens to all come together on the same ship on the same day to solve a crisis even in an alternate reality, because that's the only stable version of events.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Maybe the spaghetti mess of time travel explains the huge coincidences in the Kelvin Timeline (and the stickiness of events in Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow). The familiar Enterprise crew just happens to all come together on the same ship on the same day to solve a crisis even in an alternate reality, because that's the only stable version of events.

It's the will of the Koala.

*Zigs to avoid the shoe*
*Zags to avoid the other shoe*
*Ducks to avoid the lamp*

I'll just see myself out...

 

[Frontis]

Well, generally I don't have a problem with characters looking different in other series or movies. F.e. the new versions of Scotty, Kirk and Uhura look different, too. Of course it depends on the actors and I think it's more important to find good actors than somebeody who looks like the originals.
I just didn't like the look of the DISCO Klingons

 

[Jayson1]

There are no rules to fictional time travel. Abrams thought it through just fine, and the movie goes along with his intent.

I think what is interesting is we have seen plenty of alternate timelines in Trek. Many of them fixed at the end of the episode to restore the timeline but the Abrams movies was Trek's first ever divergent timeline in that time travel was used to create a new timeline that would not be erased at the end but instead continue on following it's own unique path. Thus it does bring in questions about time travel in Trek we aren't used to asking with the other time travel episodes and movies.

 

[fireproof78]

I think what is interesting is we have seen plenty of alternate timelines in Trek. Many of them fixed at the end of the episode to restore the timeline but the Abrams movies was Trek's first ever divergent timeline in that time travel was used to create a new timeline that would not be erased at the end but instead continue on following it's own unique path. Thus it does bring in questions about time travel in Trek we aren't used to asking with the other time travel episodes and movies.

Parallels seems to be the first ever to me, as well as the Mirror Universe or Lazarus' universe.