Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x02 - "Under the Twin Moons"

[Cr0sis21]

Yelling at the Federation president is a big deal. Imagine a navy captain yelling at the U.S. president. It would be a career suicide move.

I'm a little bored with the season so far. It's ok. The only part of the action scenes I was excited about was when the statue head appeared to open its eyes. It looked really cool and for a moment it was like awakening an angry god. It could have been like a video game boss battle. I see the Indiana Jones association, but the keys to the puzzle feels more like an Uncharted scenario.

Not looking forward to Trill next week if Gray still has his mullet. Either way, I hope Adira and Gray break up for real. It's all sci-fi, but their relationship doesn't feel like one that should continue. He was basically trapped within their psyche for a time, and his only access to the world. They also have the symbiont that was once part of him. There could be some resentment. Actually, I'd like to see Gray deal with Tal directly in that way. And at least for me, I know I'd be having an existential crisis about who I am, given that the "real" me died and I am a homunculus made from a copy of the symbiont's memories in a robot body.

That's a good point.
Jadzia and Verad both acted absolutely devastated after they lost the Dax symbiote.
Hell, even Culber had more of an existential crisis after literally going through what Gray went through.
Maybe that's why I can't get into the character. To me, he's not really acting like a real person would, even as defined by the very series and show that he's on.

 

[YouAreDooomed]

I imagine people keep bringing up CONTROL because it was such a half-anyxed plot.

I would assume the opposite is true, when I am upset by a plot, I do not want to have any of its specific elements back. Control is also defeated and destroyed, there were never actual hints that anything from it survives.

Also, they claim this "Red Directive" has been classified for centuries. That would imply the Federation actively hid the information about the Progenitors and the origin of humanoids. That just seems off to me.

I just don't see the same Picard who lectures Wesley about personal truth and scientific truth being central to wearing a Starfleet uniform going along with a coverup of a huge scientific discovery. This is not Sisko having to hide his complicity in murdering a Romulan senator for the sake of billions of lives in the Dominion War.

And if the Federation covered up this, what other aspects of science that we've seen in episodes are a state secret?

I suppose since the events of “The Chase” were never mentioned at all afterwards could point to some kind of cover up (although I guess Voyager could have encountered something related to the Progenitors in the Delta Quadrant) — and you have a point, something similar also explains why other hyper technologies encountered in the shows that really should be mentioned again are also never followed up either.

I wonder if he’ll be edited out along the way?

As I understand the dialogue between Kovich and Burnham, it is only the ancient technology discovered by the Romulan scientist that had been covered up, NOT the whole Progenitors story. It makes sense she and the others from the 23rd century are not aware of the Progenitors at that point.

 

[DaveyNY]

Except he didn't cross the line because it was a "red directive".
And the idea a captain from a few years ago is out of touch and not the one from the 23rd century is laughable.

I very much doubt a "Red Directive" allows a Star Fleet Captain to purposely put an entire settlement of innocent civilians in harm's way.
And I'm pretty sure that it doesn't give a Captain the authority to be disrespectful to the President of the Federation.
Just because he felt he was right, doesn't mean his actions can't be called into question by his superiors.

Burnham was correct in calling him out for it at the time and knowing the things she had done in her own past, gave her more insight to call upon in the aftermath.

It seems that that is something Captain Rayner was lacking, till now.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I really enjoyed the BOOBY! TRAPS! EVERWHERE! planet, especially the hidden poem clue under the plinth. Very Indiana Jones.

I literally said out loud to absolutely no one, "and take back one kadam to honor the Hebrew God whose ark this is," during that scene.

 

[fireproof78]

I literally said out loud to absolutely no one, "and take back one kadam to honor the Hebrew God whose ark this is," during that scene.

 

[Interstella5555]

Has anyone made a Discovery: Knights of the old Republic joke yet #causethatsthevibeimgetting

 

[trekfan_1]

I have no issues in doing a sequel of sorts to "The Chase" I'm ok with the Star Wars'ish desert sequence .I'm ok with the amount of melodramatic moments we got n the first 2 episodes. ( They didn't go too overboard). And after hundreds episodes of Star Trek, I'm even ok with the inevitable repeating of some of the basic concepts previously explored . But to repeat some of the actuall story beats from "The Chase" itself - in its sequel, I think is a step too far. The whole it looks like the next clue is actually on Trill not on Betazed is exactly what we saw in "The Chase." ( just with different planets). So is the whole slowly working on a galactic jigsaw like puzzle with a planet to.planet journey with each clue. I think using a different episode of Star Trek as inspiration for the mystery unraveling part would of been less obvious. Or something new.

But I'm going to reserve final judgment for when I see where it goes.

 

[Cyrus]

This was not as good as the season preimier episode but it was entertaining. I gave it an 8. I like the new first officer but I hope we still see more of Saru. He is the breakout character of Discovery.

 

[Jayson1]

Gray is a sweetheart. I think the actor has limited range though.

That's kind of the biggest issue. The actor just isn't very good. Which is a shame because the idea of exploring another Trill character not Dax could have been interesting.

 

[Jayson1]

The only scene where I didn’t mind Gray was the conversation with Zora in the episode where her sentience was explored, mainly because I find Zora an interesting character. . For the most part I either fast forward or zone out when both Gray and Adira ate on.

I do like Adira only they are sort of turning into Tilly 2.0

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I very much doubt a "Red Directive" allows a Star Fleet Captain to purposely put an entire settlement of innocent civilians in harm's way.
And I'm pretty sure that it doesn't give a Captain the authority to be disrespectful to the President of the Federation.
Just because he felt he was right, doesn't mean his actions can't be called into question by his superiors.

Burnham was correct in calling him out for it at the time and knowing the things she had done in her own past, gave her more insight to call upon in the aftermath.

It seems that that is something Captain Rayner was lacking, till now.

Kovic seemed to give the impression that yes a red directive came above everything else.

As for shouting at authority I suppose it's the usual trope of only the show protagonist being allowed to do that.

 

[Jayson1]

I think Kovic is immortal like Carol Kane's character on SNW. That is why he still wears glasses and old earth suit. I think we are going to find out he might have know more than he is letting on because he has been trying to solve this mystery for decades.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think we are going to find out he might have know more than he is letting on because he has been trying to solve this mystery for decades.

I agree. He definitely knows more. I maintain that this is what he was talking about when he said last season that he couldn't go with Discovery because he had more urgent matters to attend to that they'd hopefully never have to know about.

I think Kovic is immortal like Carol Kane's character on SNW. That is why he still wears glasses and old earth suit.

Even though I lean more towards he's an old soul who likes Old Earth, I could see that too. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Quantum21]

I agree. He definitely knows more. I maintain that this is what he was talking about when he said last season that he couldn't go with Discovery because he had more urgent matters to attend to that they'd hopefully never have to know about.


Even though I lean more towards he's an old soul who likes Old Earth, I could see that too. I wouldn't be surprised.

Kovich is a Time lord!

Should they keep him enigmatic or answer all questions? It'll keep us guessing if they use him in Starfleet Academy though.

 

[fireproof78]

Keep him enigmatic.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Keep him enigmatic.

100%
Don't ruin him by digging to deep like Voyager did with the Borg or what S31 became as the focus went on them.

The mystery is the fear or fun of these things.

 

[Farscape One]

Keep him enigmatic.

100%
Don't ruin him by digging to deep like Voyager did with the Borg or what S31 became as the focus went on them.

The mystery is the fear or fun of these things.

Completely agreed. Kovich is the DISCO version of Garak. (NO ONE can be Garak except Garak, but part of why he was so awesome was that you never truly knew what he was going to do and really know him well. Even the things we DO know are only pieces of a much larger puzzle.)

 

[Quantum21]

100%
Don't ruin him by digging to deep like Voyager did with the Borg or what S31 became as the focus went on them.

The mystery is the fear or fun of these things.

I always want answers then sometimes regret when I know everything.

 

[Lord Garth]

They'll reveal something, not everything. And the something will lead to even more questions. I don't need to look at spoilers to know that.

If Kovich is in SFA, I'd love that. He did have a role in "All Is Possible" and he's the one who offered Tilly the teaching position at the Academy, so it leads me to believe he very well could be.

 

[Quantum21]

Completely agreed. Kovich is the DISCO version of Garak. (NO ONE can be Garak except Garak, but part of why he was so awesome was that you never truly knew what he was going to do and really know him well. Even the things we DO know are only pieces of a much larger puzzle.)

OK, you sold me with that comparison.