Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x02 - "Under the Twin Moons"

[ananta]

Only just got around to watching this and I thought it was much stronger than the first episode. I always love seeing away teams exploring an alien planet (something we don’t see nearly often enough) and this one was beautifully brought to life. Some shades of “Arsenal of Freedom”.

Nice pacing, and although I wasn’t expecting to, I’m enjoying the tone. It’s lighter without going down SNW’s overly comedic/quippy/MCU style avenue which I strongly dislike. Everyone got a moment to shine and I love the addition of Rayner. He’s to me what I think Shaw was to fans of PIC s3. I think Rayner is far better written and his cantankerous no-nonsense style is much needed to counterbalance the buddy-buddy nature of the main characters.

 

[Commander Troi]

I imagine if they went that route it would once again bring in Section 31. While I doubt Section 31 still exists in the 29th century their is usually always some version of what they do in any government. This group would just have a different name.

Interestingly, my husband commented that he thinks Kovich belongs to whatever Section 31 became by this time.

I'm not sure about Moll being "related" to Book, but I really loved her expression when she heard his name. Kudos to the actor.

Loved Action Saru! And that the nickname came from Reno.

Loved the scene with Tilly and Adira assisted by Rayner. I thought that was really well done.

I really enjoyed the BOOBY! TRAPS! EVERWHERE! planet, especially the hidden poem clue under the plinth. Very Indiana Jones.

Overall, I had a lot of fun watching these 2 episodes and am looking forward to seeing how this continues.

 

[Skipper]

I'm not sure it was clearly states. But it was poor decision-making to fire at the mountain when there was a 30% chance of the landslide. That's an unacceptably large risk for putting an entire village at risk. It didn't happen but the fact that he was willing to take the risk raises huge questions about his decision making. That by itself warrants a suspension.

Perhaps I have to rewatch the scene, but they weren't accusing him of endangering the village, but of giving the idea to the bad guys. He even tried to say something like "Look, they provoked the avalanche, not me!" "Yes, but somehow you inspired them!"

It would be like saying "Look, it was the fugitive robbers who shot at the crowd!" "Yeah, but they obviously got the idea when they saw you had a gun in your hand, so it's your fault!"
WTF!?!

 

[Mr Awe]

Perhaps I have to rewatch the scene, but they weren't accusing him of endangering the village, but of giving the idea to the bad guys. He even tried to say something like "Look, they provoked the avalanche, not me!" "Yes, but somehow you inspired them!"

It would be like saying "Look, it was the fugitive robbers who shot at the crowd!" "Yeah, but they obviously got the idea when they saw you had a gun in your hand, so it's your fault!"
WTF!?!

I'm not sure that it was clear why they suspended him. I'm just saying that the fact that he was willing to take a 30% risk for wiping out the village is enough to suspend him by itself. That's sufficient even without the inspiring them angle.

Inspiring them was an argument that was made at the hearing but, IIRC, they didn't state why he was suspended just that he was.

 

[Skipper]

Inspiring them was an argument that was made at the hearing but, IIRC, they didn't state why he was suspended just that he was.

Perhaps it wasn't this the reason for the suspension, but sure they spent a lot of time on an argument that didn't make sense.

 

[Mr Awe]

Perhaps it wasn't this the reason for the suspension, but sure they spent a lot of time on an argument that didn't make sense.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. It's really a side point at most.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm thinking that his defiance about the whole incident toward the Federation President, is more likely the reason for his suspension.
The way Admiral Vance talked about him to Michael afterward, made it seem like It probably isn't the first time Rayner has had to be dressed down.

He's obviously well qualified to be a Star Fleet Captain, but his demeanor leaves a lot to be desired.
He came up through the ranks during the time that the Federation was on its back feet and he got away with less traditional means to get things done and it was overlooked.

This time, he crossed the line and Vance couldn't protect him.

Rayner even kinda admitted to Michael that he realized he crossed the line.

 

[1001001]

That was a little better.

8

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Fun Burnham/Saru episode. I like the treasure hunt storyline this season. It’s fun.

 

[Quantum21]

Looking at the screencaps that TrekCore's been doing for Picard S3 and man I really underappreciated Discovery's ability to use lights.

Lightning in Picard bothered me less than that trendy use of gray grading substituting for color. Thank God Discovery is still as vibrant as ever.

 

[Mike Doyle]

When Mol says the federation have no claim to the diary because it’s Romulan… aren’t the vast majority of Romulans (and therefore probably at least some thread of official government) now part of Ni’var which is part of the federation.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm thinking that his defiance about the whole incident toward the Federation President, is more likely the reason for his suspension.
The way Admiral Vance talked about him to Michael afterward, made it seem like It probably isn't the first time Rayner has had to be dressed down.

He's obviously well qualified to be a Star Fleet Captain, but his demeanor leaves a lot to be desired.
He came up through the ranks during the time that the Federation was on its back feet and he got away with less traditional means to get things done and it was overlooked.

This time, he crossed the line and Vance couldn't protect him.

Rayner even kinda admitted to Michael that he realized he crossed the line.

I think Rayner is probably representative of what a lot of Starfleet Captains in the 32nd Century are like. None of them are explorers, they're trained to be soldiers and probably had it drilled into them that protecting the Federation by any means necessary is be the all and end all. I think one of the themes of this season is going to be about whether men of war can learn to be men of peace.

 

[YouAreDooomed]

+ I really would love to know what David Cronenberg is? He acts like he's the actual head of the Federation. I would not be surprised if he turns out to be CONTROL having been fixed and repaired.

Haha!

Season 2: "Control is behind the Borg!"
Season 3: "Control is behind the Burn! Control sits inside Detmer's eye implant!"
Season 4: "Control is behind the DMA!"
Season 5: Kovich?
Now here is the ultimate twist, the old, murderous AI f*ucker is the Progenitor(s)! Control is behind humanoid life!

It's the final season, so Control must finally be behind something (again) I guess.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Haha!

Season 2: "Control is behind the Borg!"
Season 3: "Control is behind the Burn! Control sits inside Detmer's eye implant!"
Season 4: "Control is behind the DMA!"
Season 5: Kovich?
Now here is the ultimate twist, the old, murderous AI f*ucker is the Progenitor(s)! Control is behind humanoid life!

It's the final season, so Control must finally be behind something (again) I guess.

I imagine people keep bringing up CONTROL because it was such a half-anyxed plot.

 

[fireproof78]

When Mol says the federation have no claim to the diary because it’s Romulan… aren’t the vast majority of Romulans (and therefore probably at least some thread of official government) now part of Ni’var which is part of the federation.

Different state power, so technically those rights would not transfer.

Also, why are we believing Mol?

 

[Tuskin38]

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[drt]

Also, they claim this "Red Directive" has been classified for centuries. That would imply the Federation actively hid the information about the Progenitors and the origin of humanoids. That just seems off to me.

I just don't see the same Picard who lectures Wesley about personal truth and scientific truth being central to wearing a Starfleet uniform going along with a coverup of a huge scientific discovery. This is not Sisko having to hide his complicity in murdering a Romulan senator for the sake of billions of lives in the Dominion War.

And if the Federation covered up this, what other aspects of science that we've seen in episodes are a state secret?

I suppose since the events of “The Chase” were never mentioned at all afterwards could point to some kind of cover up (although I guess Voyager could have encountered something related to the Progenitors in the Delta Quadrant) — and you have a point, something similar also explains why other hyper technologies encountered in the shows that really should be mentioned again are also never followed up either.

Oops a crew member got caught in a shot

https://x.com/gaghyogi49/status/1776656115683533274?s=46&t=GJ4lIGndtLwuph_LJO2AJw

I wonder if he’ll be edited out along the way?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'm thinking that his defiance about the whole incident toward the Federation President, is more likely the reason for his suspension.
The way Admiral Vance talked about him to Michael afterward, made it seem like It probably isn't the first time Rayner has had to be dressed down.

He's obviously well qualified to be a Star Fleet Captain, but his demeanor leaves a lot to be desired.
He came up through the ranks during the time that the Federation was on its back feet and he got away with less traditional means to get things done and it was overlooked.

This time, he crossed the line and Vance couldn't protect him.

Rayner even kinda admitted to Michael that he realized he crossed the line.

Except he didn't cross the line because it was a "red directive".
And the idea a captain from a few years ago is out of touch and not the one from the 23rd century is laughable.

 

[ToddCam]

Yelling at the Federation president is a big deal. Imagine a navy captain yelling at the U.S. president. It would be a career suicide move.

I'm a little bored with the season so far. It's ok. The only part of the action scenes I was excited about was when the statue head appeared to open its eyes. It looked really cool and for a moment it was like awakening an angry god. It could have been like a video game boss battle. I see the Indiana Jones association, but the keys to the puzzle feels more like an Uncharted scenario.

Not looking forward to Trill next week if Gray still has his mullet. Either way, I hope Adira and Gray break up for real. It's all sci-fi, but their relationship doesn't feel like one that should continue. He was basically trapped within their psyche for a time, and his only access to the world. They also have the symbiont that was once part of him. There could be some resentment. Actually, I'd like to see Gray deal with Tal directly in that way. And at least for me, I know I'd be having an existential crisis about who I am, given that the "real" me died and I am a homunculus made from a copy of the symbiont's memories in a robot body.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except he didn't cross the line because it was a "red directive".
And the idea a captain from a few years ago is out of touch and not the one from the 23rd century is laughable.

Rayner seems to be a guy who's used to the old paradim and hasn't adapted.