Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x02 - "Under the Twin Moons"
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I found these first two to be..."fine".
My only real notes are just nitpicky shit.
The bridge flamepots still there! I'm gobsmacked.
Similar to that, the suits always seem to have the shoulder-light glitch in the same way any time someone gets into a scrape. The "repeated pattern" of the flames and glitches both trigger a "that seems lazy" response in my brain.
Not just this season, but the holocomms constantly glitch and have an audio effect. Which means they are inferior to the holocomm used briefly on DS9/Defiant hundreds of years earlier.
Not a complaint, just an observation...Fred looked like "What if Cumberbatch played Data".
P.S. The sand chase was kinda boring?
P.P.S. I really hope the Academy series gets a different aesthetic. I find the Starfleet interiors to be profoundly bland and uninteresting.
My only real notes are just nitpicky shit.
The bridge flamepots still there! I'm gobsmacked.
Similar to that, the suits always seem to have the shoulder-light glitch in the same way any time someone gets into a scrape. The "repeated pattern" of the flames and glitches both trigger a "that seems lazy" response in my brain.
Not just this season, but the holocomms constantly glitch and have an audio effect. Which means they are inferior to the holocomm used briefly on DS9/Defiant hundreds of years earlier.
Not a complaint, just an observation...Fred looked like "What if Cumberbatch played Data".
P.S. The sand chase was kinda boring?
P.P.S. I really hope the Academy series gets a different aesthetic. I find the Starfleet interiors to be profoundly bland and uninteresting.
Actually they kind of made a mistake. Remember it was a Promellian ship that was trapped in a booby trap. That means it was the Menthar that were the ones using booby traps.
Or where everybody was remote communicating in from has spotty transmissions.
We all know IRL wireless communications is subject to random interference by radio signals in the air.
I wouldn't be surprised if subspace wireless is subject to the same thing or when it converts to regular wireless, they are equally affected.
I'm not going to comment too much on the episode until more people have seen it... and until I have more time.
BUT
I have to agree with Michelle Paradise that I'd never know this wasn't intended to be the final season.
Saru is moving on to becoming an Ambassador. Tilly has already moved on and is an Instructor at the Academy, she's just back for this one mission. Burnham, Saru, and Tilly were/are the Big Three of Discovery. So, the Big Three being split up feels like the series is ending.
Saru and T'Rina are getting married. I'm hoping Burnham and Book also get married.
On top of that, the Spore Drive program is being shuttered, and Stamets is wondering about his legacy.
This feels like "end of the series" stuff. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's hard to see how they would've done a Season 6 or 7 and have it feel natural. It would've been like the TOS and TNG Movies, where we'd just have to suspend disbelief.
I was also secretly worried that 10 episodes would be too short when other seasons had at least 13 but, at the end of Episode 2, Season 5 is where Seasons 2, 3, and 4 were around Episode 7. They just got right to the point. Season 5 is also free from the burden of having to introduce everything in the 32nd Century that Season 3 was stuck with, and Season 4 to a lesser extent. So, it looks to me like they really will have enough time to tell the story they wanted to.
BUT
I have to agree with Michelle Paradise that I'd never know this wasn't intended to be the final season.
Saru is moving on to becoming an Ambassador. Tilly has already moved on and is an Instructor at the Academy, she's just back for this one mission. Burnham, Saru, and Tilly were/are the Big Three of Discovery. So, the Big Three being split up feels like the series is ending.
Saru and T'Rina are getting married. I'm hoping Burnham and Book also get married.
On top of that, the Spore Drive program is being shuttered, and Stamets is wondering about his legacy.
This feels like "end of the series" stuff. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's hard to see how they would've done a Season 6 or 7 and have it feel natural. It would've been like the TOS and TNG Movies, where we'd just have to suspend disbelief.
I was also secretly worried that 10 episodes would be too short when other seasons had at least 13 but, at the end of Episode 2, Season 5 is where Seasons 2, 3, and 4 were around Episode 7. They just got right to the point. Season 5 is also free from the burden of having to introduce everything in the 32nd Century that Season 3 was stuck with, and Season 4 to a lesser extent. So, it looks to me like they really will have enough time to tell the story they wanted to.
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Some basic thoughts on Episodes 1 & 2:
+ This is a sequel to TNG's "The Chase", which I appreciate because I liked the Progenitors but I feel like they could have added a disclaimer, "Obviously, evolution is still real and true but it explains a few holes in the fossil record."
+ I absolutely love the villains are just a pair of smugglers and feel like they are so much of a breath of fresh air after the fact that universal threats were overwhelming all the other seasons. They're also incredibly fun villains as well.
+ The Tomb Raider/Uncharted energy was something I didn't expect to like as much as I did.
+ I really hate that they're writing Tilly off from being a captain because she had the most captain energy of them all. On the other hand, I have strong hopes Mary Wiseman will be the lead on Starfleet Academy.
+ Is the other Starfleet captain half-Ferengi?
+ I really would love to know what David Cronenberg is? He acts like he's the actual head of the Federation. I would not be surprised if he turns out to be CONTROL having been fixed and repaired.
+ The appearance of a Soong android was a welcome surprise.
+ I like how Stahmets reaction to the spore drive is, "Okay, they don't give a shit about it anymore in the future so I have no legacy whatsoever." It's kind of hilarious how this shoe has written away so much of its own premise.
+ Lots of excellent visuals.
+ I hate the fact that they have a "Blue Wall of Silence" in Starfleet by Burnham's reaction to being asked by the President to testify against her fellow officer. That's an attitude we totally need to get rid outside of a playground.
+ This is a sequel to TNG's "The Chase", which I appreciate because I liked the Progenitors but I feel like they could have added a disclaimer, "Obviously, evolution is still real and true but it explains a few holes in the fossil record."
+ I absolutely love the villains are just a pair of smugglers and feel like they are so much of a breath of fresh air after the fact that universal threats were overwhelming all the other seasons. They're also incredibly fun villains as well.
+ The Tomb Raider/Uncharted energy was something I didn't expect to like as much as I did.
+ I really hate that they're writing Tilly off from being a captain because she had the most captain energy of them all. On the other hand, I have strong hopes Mary Wiseman will be the lead on Starfleet Academy.
+ Is the other Starfleet captain half-Ferengi?
+ I really would love to know what David Cronenberg is? He acts like he's the actual head of the Federation. I would not be surprised if he turns out to be CONTROL having been fixed and repaired.
+ The appearance of a Soong android was a welcome surprise.
+ I like how Stahmets reaction to the spore drive is, "Okay, they don't give a shit about it anymore in the future so I have no legacy whatsoever." It's kind of hilarious how this shoe has written away so much of its own premise.
+ Lots of excellent visuals.
+ I hate the fact that they have a "Blue Wall of Silence" in Starfleet by Burnham's reaction to being asked by the President to testify against her fellow officer. That's an attitude we totally need to get rid outside of a playground.
There are 5 eyes.
I'm going to buck the developing consensus and say this is stronger than the premier. Absolutely slower in pace, but everything here worked. The character beats followed logically from what was already established, and were generally deeper than the premier. The way the episode ended mirroring aspects of Michael's arc in particular was poetry. Crises were averted through typical Trekkian collaborative troubleshooting. I really have nothing but nits to pick here.
This isn't an all-time classic episode, but it well-crafted one nonetheless.
Edit: As an addendum, where the heck was this filmed? The jungle was clearly not a Volume set, and it had too many palms to just be a gussied up Toronto.
This isn't an all-time classic episode, but it well-crafted one nonetheless.
Edit: As an addendum, where the heck was this filmed? The jungle was clearly not a Volume set, and it had too many palms to just be a gussied up Toronto.
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I hope you don't mind if I disagree. Keeping Wiseman visible is probably smart if they plan a new series around her. The writers put themselves in a corner by having Saru defer to Burnham after having successfully been captain. It makes sense to find a way to have the character tracked for more emotional growth, and given that every mission now just seems to be a day trip, the show can visit Saru as often as it wants.
I predicted that ST: DISCO would be five seasons over seven years. I suspect that the decision to conclude it was based on multiple reasons, not just financial, but also a sense that the production was ready to move on to other projects. Of course, the episodes could have been edited in order to make it feel that things would be coming to a satisfying conclusion, not an abrupt ending.
I'm 100% certain.
Alex Kurtzman has said this isn't the last we'll see of the 32nd Century, Tilly's still teaching there, S5 reinforced it, and nothing else is taking place in that era. It all adds up.
BTW, is L'ak a Varalan?
I doubt it, they say his species is unknown in the episode
I mean the Federation is still a tiny bunch of people. It's the Byzantium version of their Rome.
Although unlikely, it might still be technically be true: we never see an actual Varalan, only someone who imitates them.
#TheMentharsDontHaveThatCoolSmoothTaste
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