Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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It's amusing how an alternate timeline episode with James T. Kirk eating Canadian street hot dogs gives us a better, more fun and more emotionally-rewarding trip to the early 21st century than an entire season of PIC managed to plop out onto the fandom's dinner plate.
This wasn't close to perfect but it was a fun watch.
This wasn't close to perfect but it was a fun watch.
I really enjoyed it!
La'an has been a bit of a blank slate so far on the show, so the episode did an excellent job of making me feel for her.
I loved the little nod to DS9 with the Temporal Investigations, even if it was sad that La'an couldn't talk about everything she went through.
At first, the episode was giving me PIC S2 vibes with the time travel/alternate timeline, but thankfully, this turned into a solid story, and events were resolved in the episode.
I love Pelia as well. They did a good job replacing the awesome Hemmer with a quirky left-field choice.
La'an has been a bit of a blank slate so far on the show, so the episode did an excellent job of making me feel for her.
I loved the little nod to DS9 with the Temporal Investigations, even if it was sad that La'an couldn't talk about everything she went through.
At first, the episode was giving me PIC S2 vibes with the time travel/alternate timeline, but thankfully, this turned into a solid story, and events were resolved in the episode.
I love Pelia as well. They did a good job replacing the awesome Hemmer with a quirky left-field choice.
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Wait, the DTI agents travel through time to repair the timeline when needed, and they carry a pocket-sized time machine with a light that turns red when the timeline is wrong and green when it's been fixed.
So . . . is Voyagers! a Star Trek show now?
So . . . is Voyagers! a Star Trek show now?
Now I want Canadian street cart dogs. Who's gonna do me the solid and grab some?
That sentence got away from you, yeah.
The Terran Empire's ship look just the same too.
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Well, not so much, when you consider that the TNG episode 'Parallels' opened the door to a near-infinite number of Trek timelines, all residing within varying quantum states. The old 'whatever could have happened, did happen.'
Did those hotdogs have whole-wheat buns? They looked very grainy, at least by American standards, but I've never heard of such a thing before.
I think she was probably using the name of a (soon-to-be) contemporaneous agency to minimize the impact on La'an rather than going into the org-chart of 29th century Starfleet's time-travel operations.
The way she phrased it, it sounded like it was contemporaneous Romulans who were attempting to stifle Earth's development, which is an interesting sort of anti-Prime Directive. It indicates very long-term planning, and also a desire to get use the minimum effort now to get a substantial reward centuries in the future; if the Romulans were really worried about Earth, they could just subjugate the planet, it is a "Star Empire" after all. Minor, deniable interventions would be a lot easier, though. I do have to wonder exactly what dropping an asteroid on Siberia in the early 1900s was supposed to affect.
Also curious about where she comes from. Apparently the Prime Timeline (or the Prime "sheaf" of strongly related timelines), but aside from knowing Kirk as being famous, it's hard to guess when. Could be 2270, could be 3270.
I think she was probably using the name of a (soon-to-be) contemporaneous agency to minimize the impact on La'an rather than going into the org-chart of 29th century Starfleet's time-travel operations.
The way she phrased it, it sounded like it was contemporaneous Romulans who were attempting to stifle Earth's development, which is an interesting sort of anti-Prime Directive. It indicates very long-term planning, and also a desire to get use the minimum effort now to get a substantial reward centuries in the future; if the Romulans were really worried about Earth, they could just subjugate the planet, it is a "Star Empire" after all. Minor, deniable interventions would be a lot easier, though. I do have to wonder exactly what dropping an asteroid on Siberia in the early 1900s was supposed to affect.
Also curious about where she comes from. Apparently the Prime Timeline (or the Prime "sheaf" of strongly related timelines), but aside from knowing Kirk as being famous, it's hard to guess when. Could be 2270, could be 3270.
As a fan of multigrain and wheat bread for my sandwiches and burgers I love the idea of hot dogs with multigrain buns. They look better and probably taste better.
Definitely something I've had in.the USA.
Just pointing this out:
The Khan of Space Seed and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is not the same Khan as we have seen since Star Trek Into Darkness. The writers have changed Khan's rule to something darker and more devastating. We have gone from "no massacres" (Scott, Space Seed) to someone who does genocide (Star Trek Into Darkness).
MCCOY: The last of the tyrants to be overthrown.
SCOTT: I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one.
KIRK: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.
SPOCK: Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless dictator is
KIRK: Mister Spock, we humans have a streak of barbarism in us. Appalling, but there, nevertheless.
SCOTT: There were no massacres under his rule.
SPOCK: And as little freedom.
MCCOY: No wars until he was attacked.
The Khan of Space Seed and Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is not the same Khan as we have seen since Star Trek Into Darkness. The writers have changed Khan's rule to something darker and more devastating. We have gone from "no massacres" (Scott, Space Seed) to someone who does genocide (Star Trek Into Darkness).
MCCOY: The last of the tyrants to be overthrown.
SCOTT: I must confess, gentlemen. I've always held a sneaking admiration for this one.
KIRK: He was the best of the tyrants and the most dangerous. They were supermen, in a sense. Stronger, braver, certainly more ambitious, more daring.
SPOCK: Gentlemen, this romanticism about a ruthless dictator is
KIRK: Mister Spock, we humans have a streak of barbarism in us. Appalling, but there, nevertheless.
SCOTT: There were no massacres under his rule.
SPOCK: And as little freedom.
MCCOY: No wars until he was attacked.
The opposite.
She could be one of the few straight women in the universe immune to his charm, because he is not her Jim Kirk.
Well, the days of admiring dictators and complimenting Nazi Germany has past.
And still neither Kirk remembers his contribution to history.
Case in point... Could you pull Pol Pot out of a line up?
Khan of Star Trek Into Darkness is specifically said to be a 300 year old man, if he were SNW's version it'd be 200.
So SNW is trying to retcon Space Seed and Picard tried to the same with 'Project Khan' in Picard Season 2. The hilarious thing? They don't even match up.
According to Picard Season 2, Project Khan is funded in 1996 and Adam Soong pulls up the file in 2024. The implication being that Adam makes Khan sometime after 2024.
However, SNW says Khan is roughly a 10 year old kid already alive in 2022, 2 years before Picard Season 2!
Even if you view the Picard Season 2 file as meaning Khan was actually made shortly after 1996, it still wouldn't match strange new worlds because he should be around 20 in SNW.
Picard implies Khan's origins are based in Los Angeles, but he's shown growing up in Toronto Canada in SNW.
What a mess.
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Ensemble show, they said.
Excuse me, as a crazy Captain Pike's fan, I waited an year for this show to see more of him. Most of the advertising of the show was built on Anson Mount's charisma. Nothing was done to make me ready for his less-than-minimal presence in the 2 episodes of 3. Is the season continues that way? Then I feel robbed.
I agree that certain episodes could move focus off Pike, Spock and Number One.
I love that more characters will have their development.
But why to focus on the certain character they created a story which has no place for the most of the crew, and even for the lead characters? Where is the ensemble they promised?
PS: The episode is great. Just make me feel very, very unhappy.
Excuse me, as a crazy Captain Pike's fan, I waited an year for this show to see more of him. Most of the advertising of the show was built on Anson Mount's charisma. Nothing was done to make me ready for his less-than-minimal presence in the 2 episodes of 3. Is the season continues that way? Then I feel robbed.
I agree that certain episodes could move focus off Pike, Spock and Number One.
I love that more characters will have their development.
But why to focus on the certain character they created a story which has no place for the most of the crew, and even for the lead characters? Where is the ensemble they promised?
PS: The episode is great. Just make me feel very, very unhappy.
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