Take it up with Anson Mount, his wife, and his new kid.
(But yes, I need that Pike Magic.)
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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(But yes, I need that Pike Magic.)
I'm going to have to try that, too. Just got some great hot dogs from the farmer's market and been waiting for the right time to defrost some, grill them up and have a good lunch!
On another note, this is another solid episode. Not a perfect one, but enough to give the time travel some purpose and a couple of nice twists toward the end. It gave a lot of depth to La'an, had some good humor and had the feel of the better time travel episodes that have happened over all of Trek.
A couple favorite bits were the middle name discussion and Kirk briefly waxing philosophically about hot dogs. And now I want a Dodge Hellcat!
Quark crashed a Feregi Raider into 1949.
God damn Romulans. They keep getting the better of our heroes in this show.
Got to agree...I don't mind Captain light episodes but he has barely been in it and is by far the best part of it.
Do you try to convince me that the actor and his family are responsible for setting fans' expectations for the season and dissatisfying them after?
Promotion team does not exist? They weren't aware during a year that they have 10 new episodes without both Pike and Number One in 2 of them?(At least 2, there could be more. How many more?)
I need it like a fresh air. Thank you for understanding.
Star Trek. Come for the time travel. Stay for the hot dog craving.
My theory about how this goes down.
ENT-TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY (old Trek)
timeline leads into Temporal War. A Romulan goes back in time and delays the Eugenics Wars from the 1990s to the 21st century. Sera is posted on Earth since circa 1992.
new timeline.
ENT-Disco1&2-SNW-TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY-PIC etc. (new Trek)
Romulans still angry the Fed forms anyway. This time they send another mission to go back in time and blow up the Noonien-Singh Institute's reactor to kill Khan. The Fed fails to form and leads to Wesley Kirk's United Earth timeline.
Fed Temporal agents are immunized from the changes and still remember the Fed. One goes back in time to tell La'an to restore the Fed, gives La'an the time device, and dies in the process.
Events of Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow
La'an saves Khan and the Fed is restored. Since at least new Trek started we've been in a "close enough" timeline: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CloseEnoughTimeline . Old Trek is still canon in broad strokes (we now have to ignore mentions of 1996 in Space Seed and Wrath of Khan, we probably have to pretend old Trek's 1701 always looked super-advanced, etc.)
I've always thought it was improbable that Mirror universe/Kelvin timeline etc. would still have the same people born as conveninent counterparts to the Prime timeline characters, but we rolled with it. However, in light of TAS and SNW I might theorize that Robert April literally is a genetically different person now because of the timeline changes.
ENT-TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY (old Trek)
timeline leads into Temporal War. A Romulan goes back in time and delays the Eugenics Wars from the 1990s to the 21st century. Sera is posted on Earth since circa 1992.
new timeline.
ENT-Disco1&2-SNW-TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY-PIC etc. (new Trek)
Romulans still angry the Fed forms anyway. This time they send another mission to go back in time and blow up the Noonien-Singh Institute's reactor to kill Khan. The Fed fails to form and leads to Wesley Kirk's United Earth timeline.
Fed Temporal agents are immunized from the changes and still remember the Fed. One goes back in time to tell La'an to restore the Fed, gives La'an the time device, and dies in the process.
Events of Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow
La'an saves Khan and the Fed is restored. Since at least new Trek started we've been in a "close enough" timeline: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CloseEnoughTimeline . Old Trek is still canon in broad strokes (we now have to ignore mentions of 1996 in Space Seed and Wrath of Khan, we probably have to pretend old Trek's 1701 always looked super-advanced, etc.)
I've always thought it was improbable that Mirror universe/Kelvin timeline etc. would still have the same people born as conveninent counterparts to the Prime timeline characters, but we rolled with it. However, in light of TAS and SNW I might theorize that Robert April literally is a genetically different person now because of the timeline changes.
Jimmy's Olde Town Tavern in Herdon, VA. Amazing wings and outstanding poutine.
Given how the Neo-Trotskyists and the Gaullists were fighting for power in France in the 2020s and how Europe was "falling apart" I guess I can't be too surprised that a painting went missing from the Louvre. The French had far bigger fish to fry in that time frame.
So Pelia is literally just a glorified thief for 2,000 years? She doesn't know any engineering (did she even fly her own starship to get to Earth? Can she leave if she wanted to?)
She's not a member of the Illuminati? She's not a leader of the Ten Rings? The League of Assassins?
Apocalypse, Ra's al Ghul, and Xu Wenwu (Shang-Chi's father) are all disappointed.
She's not a member of the Illuminati? She's not a leader of the Ten Rings? The League of Assassins?
Apocalypse, Ra's al Ghul, and Xu Wenwu (Shang-Chi's father) are all disappointed.
Ouch. This was Picard level of bad, nonsensical writing. The last five minutes gave us a glimpse of the episode this could've been if the writers had been up to the task of writing a City on the Edge of Forever-reminiscent story about love and sacrifice, but instead we had easily the most ham-fisted attempt at establishing chemistry between characters that I've seen in as far back as I can remember. And the rest of the story isn't much better, although the general concept certainly had potential if it'd been handled correctly.
Didn't help that the the product placement stuck out like a sore thumb.
I hope this doesn't end up being the first time that the second season of a Trek series is consistently sub-par compared to the first season. (I guess Picard already has that honor.)
Didn't help that the the product placement stuck out like a sore thumb.
I hope this doesn't end up being the first time that the second season of a Trek series is consistently sub-par compared to the first season. (I guess Picard already has that honor.)
Okay, points for doing Picard S2 better, but still points subtracted for repeating the plot, so that makes it even.
Good point, but I think it goes towards my problem with her, they could develop her more, and give her morsels, but we never really see them come to fruition. Last week's bit about her being afraid of having leaked Una's secret was really just a red herring for the reveal of where the information actually came from. It could have been more, showing she's aware of her deep-seated feelings, even if she doesn't show them. I also wonder if her scene with Uhura will come back. It was a great scene for Uhura, but not so much for La'an, and I'm afraid we'll see her treat Uhura badly going forward because of it.
I tend to think more people wouldn't hold it against her, if she gave them a chance. But, yes, that was devastating and I hope they follow it up.
Good head canon, for now, we'll see if it becomes actual canon.
And on that note, everyone here seems to think the "no massacres" line makes Khan squeaky clean. If we're going literal definition, a massacre is "an indiscriminate killing." He could have quite the body count, but not technically a massacre.
Just because history paints him as the better of the tyrants doesn't mean he was a swell guy.
I thought something was off with the name (I always use closed captions, so it was clear it was with an "E" not an "A." I should have trusted my instincts, but the Easter Egg side of me kept waiting for her to reveal her mother's name as Rain.
All our Trek heroes are morally upright paragons of virtue who do the right thing, and that's what I like about them. However, maybe they should've made an exception this once to heighten the drama and angst.
Khan: Are you going to kill me?
La'an (hesitates): Yes I am, you augment scum!
Khan: Ahh!!! No! Help, please don't kill me!
La'an beats Khan senseless after decades of repressed augment hatred and pulls out her gun for the killing shot. A temporal agent shows up out of nowhere and beams her back to the Enterprise before she can fire.
DTI Agent: Ok that's enough. You get back to duty here and never speak of this again.
Back in the 21st century, a sobbing Khan swears revenge against all humans after having barely survived an assassination attempt by one.
La'an returns to her quarters and reads that Khan was rumored to have aspired for world domination because a human tried to kill him as a kid. La'an realizes she was that human and breaks down realizing she's the reason Khan turned evil and she caused what she was trying to prevent.
Khan: Are you going to kill me?
La'an (hesitates): Yes I am, you augment scum!
Khan: Ahh!!! No! Help, please don't kill me!
La'an beats Khan senseless after decades of repressed augment hatred and pulls out her gun for the killing shot. A temporal agent shows up out of nowhere and beams her back to the Enterprise before she can fire.
DTI Agent: Ok that's enough. You get back to duty here and never speak of this again.
Back in the 21st century, a sobbing Khan swears revenge against all humans after having barely survived an assassination attempt by one.
La'an returns to her quarters and reads that Khan was rumored to have aspired for world domination because a human tried to kill him as a kid. La'an realizes she was that human and breaks down realizing she's the reason Khan turned evil and she caused what she was trying to prevent.
I've only skimmed and yeah, I can't be fucking bothered talking about it because it's Canon Bullshit Salad all over again.
Every week. Every week this.
I haven't finished the episode but I'm wandering around my flat haphazardly cleaning and craving poutine. Time travel episodes try my patience, this one is just boring. La'an has had tons of character exploration and development so, I'm not sure why this episode is being heralded as that. (By 'character development' do we mean the unnecessary nip show? I know everyone loves the TOS throwbacks, but I thought we could leave the objectification of women's body parts in the 60s). Also find it hard to believe a guy born in space knows how to drive in snow...
Americans need to do super illegal things not in America to avoid oversight.
True, but them planning to do something in LA in 2024 and have the final product already available 2 years beforehand in 2022 Toronto is new.
Although to be fair even democratic world leaders are seen through different lenses by differing citizens and historians. Some people laud Woodrow Wilson as one of the architects of a modern, more progressive America with his embrace of the federal income tax, direct elections for U.S. Senators and his drive to get the United States into a League of Nations he felt was a great hope for peace in a post-Versailles world. But many also see him as a racist autocrat who jailed his political opponents during World War I, authorized police raids of those who disagreed with U.S. war policy and actively discriminated against black Americans, being a dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist who grew up during the Civil War and Reconstruction.
So yeah, I can definitely believe that some people in the 2260s would call Khan a monster while others would think of him as the most civilized and "the best" of the tyrants of his era. Because we do that NOW with real life leaders and statesmen.
I think that was just a 4th wall breaking reference to a TOS inconsistency.
In TOS it was said that only Kirk called him Sam, yet several other people also called him Sam in TOS
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