Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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But that’s the unaltered Khan.
For some reason I’m just not buying Paul Wesley as Kirk, though he’s certainly charismatic in his own right. And I’m not crazy about the episode’s undercurrent of “Those crazy conspiracy theories? *Basically*, they’re true!” But the timeline-changing stuff doesn’t bother me at all; if anything, I thought it had already been covered by Traveler Wesley accidentally messing up a century in Picard.
To me, the romantic angle happened too quickly to be quite believable, but Christina Chong did a fine job.
To me, the romantic angle happened too quickly to be quite believable, but Christina Chong did a fine job.
yes, but Pelia became an engineer because of La'an's influence too.
Well time is punching back and humanity blah-blah indomitable spirit yakity smackity.
To be fair, the person saying the conspiracy theories is true is the Romulan.
He just isn't Kirk. Maybe charismatic in his way, but not Kirk. I hate to stay on the trend but too much Jim Carrey Kirk (without doing a Shatner impersonation.) He just doesn't click. He doesn't have the charm, charisma and swagger of Kirk.
He feels like.... Understudy Kirk.
Did I miss them outright mentioning a full on war?
I was under the impression the United Earth knew about Romulan aggression and tried it’s best to stay out of the conflicts the Empire had with other space faring nations like Vulcan and threw them under the bus to stay neutral.
Very subtle jab at people screaming for neutrality in the Ukraine war.
I'd say he's closer to canon Kirk than Pine Kirk. And i like Pine Kirk for who he is.
But Wesley Kirk feels like he could actually survive in the Space Navy.
Throw off the shackles of the spoiler tags my Trekkies!
I was wondering the same thing.
But we just had a Romulan in the 21st century state that she and her ilk had been messing with Earth's past and acknowledge that the Eugenics Wars were "supposed to" take place in the 1990's and that they don't anymore. That's hard to get away from.
You know, again there was no reason to revisit the Eugenics Wars or Khan. But for whatever reason the writers thought "Hey, we just NEED a descendant of Khan on this ship to properly tell this story." But now not only do we know that the name Noonian Singh is enough to get you teased / bullied / whatever over 200 years later, but we also know that we're currently (right now!) in the lead up to WWIII because of January 6th, 2020 (among other altercations) leading to the Second American Civil War which leads... to.... the... Eugenics Wars?
Honest question: Is genetic manipulation still considered "eugenics"? Isn't eugenics more selective breeding Master Race stuff?
I don't know why this episode has stuck with me over the last couple of days as much as it has. La'an is not my favorite character (or hasn't been). I wasn't thrilled with Wesley's Kirk the last time out. But this was SNW firing on all cylinders. Christina Chong hit it out of the park. They managed to put Kirk a little bit on his back foot keeping La'an as the lead but still giving Kirk enough room to be awesome.
Kirk playing chess is currently the high point of the season for me.
I do wonder why it's a 23rd century Romulan ship doing the time traveling, but I like the fact that Kirk recognizes it but La'an doesn't AND they don't take the time to explain it.
I also loved that the turning point for Kirk helping restore the timeline is not the Fate of the Earth but just Sam.
Maybe I'm bringing all my TOS baggage to the show (which is what they want me to do) but did the music for La'an and Kirk get as close to "Goodnight Sweetheart" as they could without paying royalties? Or maybe just Fred Steiner's music?
I know Anson was busy being a new daddy and all, but we need some Pike in our Pike show!
Dammit. Now I have to wait NINE days between new episodes. Unless Amazon screws up again.
I was wondering the same thing.
Why "nope"? I don't really have a dog in this fight in that I'm not ready to cheer "See?!? I TOLD you it had to be another timeline!" or anything. "Alternate timeline" kind of bores me. It was brilliant in '09 because it served a definite purpose but I really don't need to see an alt alt alt timeline. (And "Multiverse" is wearing out it's welcome.)
But we just had a Romulan in the 21st century state that she and her ilk had been messing with Earth's past and acknowledge that the Eugenics Wars were "supposed to" take place in the 1990's and that they don't anymore. That's hard to get away from.
You know, again there was no reason to revisit the Eugenics Wars or Khan. But for whatever reason the writers thought "Hey, we just NEED a descendant of Khan on this ship to properly tell this story." But now not only do we know that the name Noonian Singh is enough to get you teased / bullied / whatever over 200 years later, but we also know that we're currently (right now!) in the lead up to WWIII because of January 6th, 2020 (among other altercations) leading to the Second American Civil War which leads... to.... the... Eugenics Wars?
Honest question: Is genetic manipulation still considered "eugenics"? Isn't eugenics more selective breeding Master Race stuff?
I don't know why this episode has stuck with me over the last couple of days as much as it has. La'an is not my favorite character (or hasn't been). I wasn't thrilled with Wesley's Kirk the last time out. But this was SNW firing on all cylinders. Christina Chong hit it out of the park. They managed to put Kirk a little bit on his back foot keeping La'an as the lead but still giving Kirk enough room to be awesome.
Kirk playing chess is currently the high point of the season for me.
I do wonder why it's a 23rd century Romulan ship doing the time traveling, but I like the fact that Kirk recognizes it but La'an doesn't AND they don't take the time to explain it.
I also loved that the turning point for Kirk helping restore the timeline is not the Fate of the Earth but just Sam.
Maybe I'm bringing all my TOS baggage to the show (which is what they want me to do) but did the music for La'an and Kirk get as close to "Goodnight Sweetheart" as they could without paying royalties? Or maybe just Fred Steiner's music?
I know Anson was busy being a new daddy and all, but we need some Pike in our Pike show!
Dammit. Now I have to wait NINE days between new episodes. Unless Amazon screws up again.
It's an alternate timeline 2009 because they didn't want to erase decades of continuity. Also, Paramount didn't own CBS, which still owned the television rights.
Now Paramount and CBS are owned by the same people again, so it is one timeline again.
It's never been a story driven experience, it's been a IP property ownership one.
I'm halfway through the episode. Liking it so far, but I really want to know how the hell they crossed the US border with no identification.
I'm not 100% sold on either alt-Kirks, but there were moments that Pine did remind me of Shat-Kirk, if only for a moment.
There a La'an line "run border guard" that I'm guessing is about dodging?
They answered it. They said they bribed him.
Which...fine.
"Two Americans with no ID want to enter America. How do they get across?"
*passes two hundred bucks*
DTI in the present (Trials and Tribblelations) can't time travel, which is different from don't time travel.
Bigger stretch is that Jim Kirk and other familiar faces were still conceived and born in the 23rd century... when such drastic changes to the timeline happened in Earth's past, hundreds of years prior.
That one tends to take me out of half-baked time travel stories. Terminator Genisys.
What about the Mirror Universe? If we've been willing, since the 60's, to accept that all our heroes are still born in such a drastically different universe, what we see in today's episode really shouldn't be a problem.
I love the way they explained why the Eugenics wars didn't happen in the 90s in a throwaway line. "Time travelers did it."
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