Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 8, 2023.

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  1. Mr J

    Mr J Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I watched this on Paramount+ UK with subtitles on..

    it named the voice in Jack’s dream at the end as “Borg Queen”?!
     
  2. Timofnine

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    It could be a bit like Course: Oblivion.

    All of the real TNG crew could turn up in the season finale for 5 minutes at the end eating Riker’s stone baked pizza and sipping on Châteaux Picard vintage 2386, all appearing quite blasé like nothing had ever happened? Deanna could also be *really* drunk again like in Star Trek: First Contact. :D

    Picard season 3 could all be a simulation taking place in a ‘sub flow’ of the Great Link which is suffering from some form of collective cognitive disfunction or mass hallucination resulting from a virus or infection?

    Perhaps Jack Crusher fell in to this ‘Broken Link’? :shrug:
     
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  3. jaime

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    Only after we see Picard and Crusher marry of course.
     
  4. Timofnine

    Timofnine Saintly henchman of Santa Premium Member

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    Well, the abrupt reunion ending could actually be set at the Wedding? :D
     
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  5. Ianburns252

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    I've mentioned it before - and it shows how ridiculous certain things with censors are - but DS9 went bigger than "fuck" by having Jake use the N word in the first of the 1960's Benny Russell episodes.

    Enterprise definitely had Trip and Archer using more colourful language too - sure "son of a bitch" got used at least once
     
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  6. Tuskin38

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    To play devil advocate, Enterprise is a lot closer to our time than other shows. But yeah 'bitch' was used quite a few times in Enterprise.

    'Son of a bitch' was said by McCoy in ST3, Scotty called Azetbur a bitch in ST6. Lilly also used the word in First Contact, but she's from that time period.

    Bastard was used a couple times in Enterprise. Used once in DS9 and TNG, but both usages were not by Starfleet/Federation characters. Kirk called the Klingons bastards in ST3 and ST5. Riker called the Son'a bastards in Insurrection.
     
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  7. jackoverfull

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    I don't remember it (but I haven't watched that episode in over ten years), but I imagine it mage sense in context? As in, said by a racist character?
     
  8. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They said who said it in their post, it was Jake (well the character represented by Jake in the Benny world)
     
  9. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Well, one should see it in context.
     
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  10. Ianburns252

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    The context was that the police/white people in general "just saw them as a bunch of..." (I think that is the quote) so you are right that the context fit but, certainly when looking back on it it is jarring still
     
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  11. Ianburns252

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    Agreed on your first point that it is a good 150 years closer than TUC (give or take a bit) and so would be more common - was more to show that even in the early 00's the censors were changing the rules and Star Trek ran open armed into the space to use the wider range of language permitted.

    I don't tend to think of the films as cinema has always had a higher tolerance for language than TV but it is still simply them using it if they can get away with it
     
  12. Turtletrekker

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    Agreed. That word is far, far more offensive than "fuck".
     
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    Present-day schools are trying to accelerate kids' educations. They take calculus and advanced mathematics as early as 10th grade. Some middle schools offer "highly gifted" programs that are incredibly advanced. Maybe it's possible that by the 24th century, the educational landscape won't look quite like it does today...
     
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  14. Lt Mo

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    There’s an episode of TNG where an elementary school-aged kid refers to taking calculus.
    Maybe Jack went to the 24th century version of virtual school. If it exists now, I’m sure it’s still an option in the future.
     
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    Starfleet keeps forgetting to buy the adaptor.
     
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  16. Lord Garth

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    A black character said it in a Mid-20th Century setting, rightfully complaining about the discrimination and harassment blacks faced while making a larger point from a perspective most of the audience didn't have. Under any other circumstance, the use of that word wouldn't have been allowed. I'm 100% certain there was a discussion before they filmed that line. It wasn't something they did casually.
     
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  17. jaime

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    I think it may have had a pretty decent story reason for it no? And was it Jake? Or was it Jake inside the prophet vision, set in Earth’s past?
    Or is there some episode I missed where they got an early 21st century rapper in with Vic, and Jake-o was spittin some rhymes?
     
  18. Ianburns252

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    Prophet vision Jake, and you are right that it has a solid story reason but that word being used on daytime/early evening/family TV, in a show that was PG to 12 at most is a huge deal - especially in a story written by a very white man.
     
  19. Ianburns252

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    I am not trying to say it was done flippantly - it is exceptionally well done and hits hard - but the use of the word on a show like that would not be allowed these days and for good reason considering the rise in racial hatred in society
     
  20. Turtletrekker

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    Students at 29th century high schools had phase discriminators built into their desks.