Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x19 - "Supernova, Part 1"
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The two uniforms are so similar I could be convinced they are the same with any differences chalked up to animation style.
One of them really is the Defiant, we got a couple really close up shots of her name and registry, close enough that we can't pretend we didn't see it.
9/10 episode ranking this week from me.
All points I was going to make.
This was a really good episode. This series is truly one of Trek's best. So much starship fleet love, sad watching them tear themselves apart. Starfleet's firewalls against alien computer virus incursions fail once again. Since this is pretty much a VOY sequel I expect some time travel shenanigans to fix this mess.
Looking forward to it.
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Ah hell, now I have to go watch Airplane!Don't be ridiculous...
Merry Christmas !
9/10 episode ranking this week from me.
All points I was going to make.
This was a really good episode. This series is truly one of Trek's best. So much starship fleet love, sad watching them tear themselves apart. Starfleet's firewalls against alien computer virus incursions fail once again. Since this is pretty much a VOY sequel I expect some time travel shenanigans to fix this mess.
Looking forward to it.
Apparently, there won't be any time travelling shenanigans to fix this.
Now I want mozzarella sticks.
Why is it, that StarFleet's greatest weakness seems to be Computer / IT Security?
Seriously, a software vulnerability that allows a AI construct to infect & take over every single StarFleet ship?
Galaxy-class lost because they couldn't bother replicating or having brand new VISORs for Geordi so that they can take the time to validate if his VISOR has been compromised by external forces.
Synths compromised because a covert Double-Agent Tal Shiar was able to affect their software to force them to rebel.
Seriously, a software vulnerability that allows a AI construct to infect & take over every single StarFleet ship?
Galaxy-class lost because they couldn't bother replicating or having brand new VISORs for Geordi so that they can take the time to validate if his VISOR has been compromised by external forces.
Synths compromised because a covert Double-Agent Tal Shiar was able to affect their software to force them to rebel.
A 10 this week. The buildup of tension was so well done!
Dal finding out he's not eligible to go to Starfleet Academy was nicely handled, as he just got on with the task in hand and wanted to ensure that the rest of the crew would make it.
That said, I can see things working out for him after everything that happened.
Dal finding out he's not eligible to go to Starfleet Academy was nicely handled, as he just got on with the task in hand and wanted to ensure that the rest of the crew would make it.
That said, I can see things working out for him after everything that happened.
Huh... maybe people associating VOY with a 'reset button' isn't the best analogy.
Sure there were several... but not horrible by any stretch... and also, just because VOY had multiple resets, doesn't mean Prodigy will (despite the fact that its a VOY sequel of sorts).
We know of several resets on VOY:
There was 'Time and Again', 'Non Sequitur', 'The Future's End', 'Before and After','Year of Hell', 'Timeless', 'Relativity', 'Fury', 'Shattered' and 'Endgame'.
All in all, if we think about it, 10 'resets' isn't THAT bad... some of these aren't even what I would classify as 'hard' resets.
'Time and again' - hard reset (caused and fixed by VOY crew).
'Non Sequitur' - Harry accidentally swaps places with Danny (otherwise, events remain the same - this would be more like a soft reset because it was implied whole chain of events would have basically unfolded the same, just with someone else in place of Kim - maybe Danny would have been promoted?).
'The Future's End' - eh, this is a murky one. In the original timeline (per Braxton), VOY's debris from secondary hull was found and the 29th century ceased to exist - VOY actually fixed a problem caused by 29th century SF (and as it was discovered, the destruction wasn't caused by VOY, nor was it its fault) - how do we classify this? The 29th century and beyond wouldn't have existed if VOY wasn't involved (and 29th century SF should have seen this happening in the first place - which leads me to question, how did Braxton and his time ship Aeon even existed in the first place if the future was destroyed? - maybe he had temporal shields on or he was from yet another timeline.
'Before and After' - various events from this one DID come to pass and stuck (and things were going in reverse due to what happened in Year of Hell with Kes onboard) so I'd say it was a soft reset.
'Year of Hell' - hard reset at the end (but was foreshadowed by Before and After - seems like this was 'supposed' to happen and be erased - originally, it was supposed to last a full season and NOT be reset (from real world point of view).
'Timeless' - hard reset (but it got SF a Quantum slipstream v2 at speeds of 10 000 Ly's per min to play with).
'Relativity' dealt more with a future temporal attack on VOY because Braxton lost his mind (well, maybe not 100%, but his reasoning was severely impaired) - sure VOY would have been destroyed had the weapon not been dealt with, but the crew of VOY by itself did NOT initiate the reset (29th century Braxton caused the problem, and 29th century SF 'cleaned up the timeline')... so I'd say this one could be classified as soft/mid reset.
'Fury' - mid reset I think? Whole of reality didn't exactly change, they changed certain things from the moment Kes initially boarded the ship (otherwise, VOY's history leading up to that episode didn't change - well, apart from that excursion into the nebula with the space vacuules - so, minor change/addition to VOY history).
'Shattered' - eh, the ship wasnt' destroyed, merely fractured into different time periods and was brought back to the moment to prevent the surge... and Chakotay still remembered everything... so... mid reset of sorts? Was a fun one.
'Endgame' - hard reset (I guess) - but with relatively beneficial results (although maybe not considering that Future Janeway DID in fact seem to have a relatively rosey timeline - minus a few people and that timeline seems to be implied to continue to exist).
4 hard resets (if you ask me) isn't that huge a deal... looking at it from a certain point of view, I don't think this would classify VOY as a show that used the reset button too often... on another hand, if you count any kind of reset as viable... then sure, 10 resets seems a bit... much... but compared to the toal amount of episodes, thats about 5.8% of all episodes we saw across 7 years (not counting stuff that happened IN BETWEEN episodes... which reduces the percentage even further).
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Even earlier than the Enterprise being taken down by an obsolete D12 Bird-of-Prey, we had the Iconian software which attempted to rewrite the programing on the Yamato and caused it to go Boom! If LaForge had not figured out what was happening, the Enterprise and the Haakona would have met the same fate.
Thrilling episode, cannot wait to see how it ends.
The Diviner's faceturn was a bit random, I'm guessing Walter Bishop won't be returning for season 2 so they had to pass the baton of evil.
A little bit of dumbness, that big glass (self healing!) canopy, and Starfleet never thought to look inside and see what was going on? They'd have spotted their double agent in an instant.
And however they fix this, I guess this mass destruction is why Starfleet is all Zeng-He class ships come Picard season 1
The Diviner's faceturn was a bit random, I'm guessing Walter Bishop won't be returning for season 2 so they had to pass the baton of evil.
A little bit of dumbness, that big glass (self healing!) canopy, and Starfleet never thought to look inside and see what was going on? They'd have spotted their double agent in an instant.
And however they fix this, I guess this mass destruction is why Starfleet is all Zeng-He class ships come Picard season 1
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The self-healing canopy isn't far fetched at all: https://www.techbriefs.com/component/content/article/tb/stories/blog/34859Thrilling episode, cannot wait to see how it ends.
The Diviner's faceturn was a bit random, I'm guessing Walter Bishop won't be returning for season 2 so they had to pass the baton of evil.
A little bit of dumbness, that big glass (self healing!) canopy, and Starfleet never thought to look inside and see what was going on? They'd have spotted their double agent in an instant.
And however they fix this, I guess this mass destruction is why Starfleet is all Zeng-He class ships come Picard season 1
Tech Briefs said:
Those seem to be the two main options to resolve it, given that Starfleet as a whole will certainly survive and probably not even be that badly damaged (given Picard's evacuation was still on track at the time of the Mars attacks) and that certain individual ships (Thunderchild and Sovereign) were also shown during Picard fleet action:
-either some kind of time travel that lets them undo the mess (disadvantage: only the protagonists would still know what went on)
-or they stop the construct relatively early in the next episode, at least before all the ship are totalled and before too many fresh ones warp in
(I have not looked at the spoilers)
I think John Noble will be back; there is still a Diviner (young version) on present day Solum, and I assume Gwyn will need to seek him out at some point. Without his support, she doesn't stand a chance of doing what her father asked her to do (and what Starfleet, or at least Janeway, would probably also want her to do: which is to prevent the devastating war).
It's also possible he will narrate certain memories, that he has given to Gwyn while dying.
I think its clear that Starfleet could very much use the Vau N'akat as member or allies, even if only to get some decent IT security...
It struck me that Ascencia triumphed prematurely: leaving the ship and the weapon was a big mistake. She can't expect Starfleet ships to just keep warping in indefinitely until there are none left, at some point Starfleet command will notice what is going on and order everyone to stay away. Moreover, with Gwyn's speech the existance of the Vau N'akat - and their extraordinary abilities to learn languages - is out in the open. Ascencia risks not only that the Federation may become extra interested in making contact with the Vau N'akat (now a clear threat to their security, possibly with some feelings of revenge involved after a massacre of this size), but that Klingons, Ferengi and Romulans would see opportunities too.
Here is the link to the video of the 7th rule, for this episode: Has the writer of the episode (Erin Mcnamara, first writers credit!) and also Bonnie Gordon and Cirroc Lofton ("Jake Sisko").
Oh I wasn't calling the self-healing dumb, just the not looking inside when it's a HUGE tactical advantage to see what everyone on the bridge is doing.
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