Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"

[plynch]

The "No they won't" after Picard's speech was very meta. Even as Picard was making it, I thought this is a shout-out in a way: here it is . . . [look at wristwatch] "the Picard speech." I think Soong's retort was almost a wink to the fans and an open acknowledgement of Picard's perceived reliance on speechifyin' in TNG.

 

[Anters]

Coppelius is right next to the exit of a Borg transwarp conduit....unimportant coincidence? or major plot line?

It tells me that the Borg are some how invested in Soji's people, which would explain why she's so clued up on Borg technology. I think the next episode will see the Borg using this conduit to come to Coppelius's rescue...e.g. via Seven sending a distress signal, and I bet her cube or its sphere plays a fighting role.

A lot of people seem to think one twin is good the other evil...could this be because they used a strand from Data's neural net and one from Lore's to create the synths? Would explain why Dahj had Data's affinity to Picard and Soji didn't.

What do people think?

 

[Danja]

it's the same old Soong

"With a different meaning since you've been gone ... "

(Sorry, couldn't resist. )

And, in a moment that was perhaps intended as foreshadowing, Picard left him with Seven, declaring that saving the galaxy was their job now. I wonder if Seven can get that cube off the ground.

She did it once. She can do it again.

Coppelius is right next to the exit of a Borg transwarp conduit....unimportant coincidence? or major plot line?

Seven OPENED the conduit and followed Sirena. It wasn't just there.

It tells me that the Borg are some how invested in Soji's people, which would explain why she's so clued up on Borg technology. I think the next episode will see the Borg using this conduit to come to Coppelius's rescue...e.g. via Seven sending a distress signal, and I bet her cube or its sphere plays a fighting role.

I can't see Seven sending a distress signal to the Borg (the Borg can't be too pleased with her for killing a Queen and destroying a transwarp hub in "Endgame").

 

[Danlav05]

And I'll go further: that's exactly what Stewart insisted upon when he agreed to this series. It's the Last Ride of Jean-Luc Picard, and we'd best accustom ourselves to that premise.

It also raises the stakes slightly from a pop-culture POV of getting this coronavirus pandemic resolved swiftly. Because Sir Patrick won't be with us forever either.

Well the man turns 80 this year.

I was surprised that Sir Pat talked about Season 3 - I assumed right at the beginning he'd just come back for a mini series, not even 10 episodes!

He said he'd never return to Star Trek, so we should think ourselves very lucky. It's a gift

 

[cooleddie74]

Ha, ha, ha. What?

I stand by it. The Federation Council has made numerous terrible decisions throughout the course of the franchise. Banning entire classes of sentient, artificial life. Prohibiting travel to certain worlds. Siding with coverups. The Federation may be the nicest person in the room the also contains the Klingons, the Romulans and the Cardassians but that person sure as heck doesn't have a spotless record of always coming down on the side of right.

 

[Dryson]

Obviously the Orchids are Mycelial based. Perhaps the Synth presence has been around a lot longer than Dr. Soong and has been watching ever since the days of the Discovery.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fake news! That article was written before this week's episode, which revealed the Admonition in full:

Life begins. The dance of division and replication. Imperfect. Finite. Organic life evolves, yearns for perfection. That yearning leads to synthetic life. But organics perceive this perfection as a threat. When they realize their creations do not age or become sick or die they will seek to destroy them and in so doing, destroy themselves. Beyond the boundaries of time and space, we stand, an alliance of synthetic life. Watching you. Waiting for your signal. Summon us, and we will come. You will have our protection. Your evolution will be their extinction.

Mein Kampf has been reprinted a lot since the fall of Nazi Germany.

It's an accurate account of what happened.

It's not in the elder Synth's interests to warn the Fleshies that all Syths must die, for thousands of years leading up to the genesis of new Synths.

Unless?

The elder Synths don't feel like you're a real Synth unless you've been hunted and persecuted by your creators?

Which meas that the elder Synths created and control the Zhat Vash.

 

[Rhodie33]

Why did Maddox care about the truth of the synth ban

Bruce Maddox cares about the synth attack on Mars and the resulting ban because he created the synths, according to the prequel book Last Best Hope. Maddox was very much forced into creating the deliberately non-sentient synths by Geordi. They are bio-neural based, not positronic. Maddox is widely blamed for the attack on Mars. It's his legacy and so he would be highly motivated to find out the truth, and thereby prove synths were innocent, and thereby hopefully reverse the ban on synths. Thereby allowing his new synths/androids to come out of hiding and gain Federation recognition, and protection against the Romulans/Zhat Vash.

 

[Mark 2000]

I stand by it. The Federation Council has made numerous terrible decisions throughout the course of the franchise. Banning entire classes of sentient, artificial life. Prohibiting travel to certain worlds. Siding with coverups. The Federation may be the nicest person in the room the also contains the Klingons, the Romulans and the Cardassians but that person sure as heck doesn't have a spotless record of always coming down on the side of right.

It's a strange argument when someone cites Picard as a way to justify Picard. I don't hold to Kurtzman's portrayal of the Federation, or Ira Behr's for that matter. The other thing I guess you're citing is Talos IV? A planet of mind stealers who kidnapped a captain and tortured a whole ship? I don't see the problem. This is, of course, the Federation that had no real doubts beyond a few rogue elements about approving the measures that saved Q'onos in TUC. This entire thing about flip flopping and screwing the Romulans is such nonsense.

 

[Rhodie33]

Why was Alton Soong having trouble with mind transference into his creations? Ira Graves figured it out 35 years ago in universe! (The Schizoid Man)

And how is the process going to be figured out in time before the Romulan attack? Either from a Altan- or Picard transferance plan? As for Data, I literally can't believe that Bruce Maddox wouldn't have brought him back already if it was possible. If we couldn't guess that from TNG, we know from Last Best Hope that Maddox is obsessed with getting Data back. Geordi La Forge even chews him out for not giving up on the idea.

 

[Rhodie33]

Jurati was programmed to kill.

No free will.

Disagree, unless you think Jurati wasn't programmed to kill Soji. Possible, since Oh wanted to find the synth nest... but Oh would have implanted a command to report back if she identified the location, and Agnes didn't. If Agnes was programmed to kill Soji, she got over it very easily. So she had free will, in my opinion.

 

[erotavlas]

What is Soong creating in his lab? I did not get what Jerrarti asked him, it sounded like .."you made a Gollum" and I was thinking WTF? is that a Lord of the Rings reference? And that thing being constructed kind of did look like a Gollum lol.

However then I did another search and found something called Golem - "an animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter" Is that what she was referring to?

Anyway what is the significance of this and why was she so surprised and what is mind transfer?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

It's a strange argument when someone cites Picard as a way to justify Picard. I don't hold to Kurtzman's portrayal of the Federation, or Ira Behr's for that matter. The other thing I guess you're citing is Talos IV? A planet of mind stealers who kidnapped a captain and tortured a whole ship? I don't see the problem. This is, of course, the Federation that had no real doubts beyond a few rogue elements about approving the measures that saved Q'onos in TUC. This entire thing about flip flopping and screwing the Romulans is such nonsense.

We've seen the federation portrayed in a similar light during tng but instead it was them screwing their own people to appease the cardassians.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What is Soong creating in his lab?

I've been making a man
With blonde hair and a tan
And he's good for relieving my t-t-tension

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't hold to Kurtzman's portrayal of the Federation, or Ira Behr's for that matter.

I don't like the DSC Enterprise being given a visual reboot just because of "modern audiences" but it's now canon that that's how she looked in 2256 and 2257. Whether or not we hold to a portrayal within this franchise is immaterial. It is.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Coppelius is right next to the exit of a Borg transwarp conduit....unimportant coincidence? or major plot line?

It tells me that the Borg are some how invested in Soji's people, which would explain why she's so clued up on Borg technology. I think the next episode will see the Borg using this conduit to come to Coppelius's rescue...e.g. via Seven sending a distress signal, and I bet her cube or its sphere plays a fighting role.

A Borg rescue army to wipe out the Romulan fleet. Interesting plot. But after they've arrived, what'll be the consequences for Starfleet/rest of the galaxy??

A lot of people seem to think one twin is good the other evil...could this be because they used a strand from Data's neural net and one from Lore's to create the synths? Would explain why Dahj had Data's affinity to Picard and Soji didn't.

What do people think?

That's what I thought too. And Sutra is certainly come from Lore's. The question is would Soji switches side and helps Picard again, despite being descendent from Lore (nature vs nurture question)

 

[The Old Mixer]

However then I did another search and found something called Golem - "an animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter" Is that what she was referring to?

Yes, per the subtitles.

 

[Noname Given]

The series as a whole ends with Picard dead. Permanently dead. That's my understanding here. There will be no mind-transfers to save him, nor offers from the Q Continuum accepted...nor any of the other outs that the Trek multiverse could offer him. He'll either spurn them all, or they'll be denied to him. I'm betting on the former.

Well, that would put a damper on STP Seasons 2 & 3 which have already been ordered.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Yes, per the subtitles.

Looking at the opening shot of the 20s film, the Rabbi is watching a set of stars rising above a mountain, eighth of them in fact.They predict misfortune for the Jews. I wonder if they might have gotten that number from this film and the idea that the message was there that predicted calamity. About 35 seconds in after the credit card.

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[Cyrus]

What is Soong creating in his lab? I did not get what Jerrarti asked him, it sounded like .."you made a Gollum" and I was thinking WTF? is that a Lord of the Rings reference? And that thing being constructed kind of did look like a Gollum lol.

However then I did another search and found something called Golem - "an animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter" Is that what she was referring to?

Anyway what is the significance of this and why was she so surprised and what is mind transfer?

soong wants to transfer his mind to an android. His father figured that out but soong jr doesn’t know how to do mind transfer yet and hoping Jurati can help.