"Weirdly bitter" tends to be a pretty common state in Trek fandom.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"
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"Weirdly bitter" tends to be a pretty common state in Trek fandom.
Iconians? You mean T’Kon?
It’s also E and F. We know what happened to the D.
But...
The ship lost all power. Nothing worked. He also left the ship.
Very true. But it also says Page 39. There's 38 other pages before it for things to change. 
No one ever speculated it's the Tkon.
I mean the D, people have actually suggested it!
Usually with Riker in command!
But they were the ones that could move stars. Iconians are just known for their gateways.No one ever speculated it's the Tkon.
I mean the D, people have actually suggested it!
So? Few let facts get in the way of speculation.
If you are only going to only take about 1/4 of Trek to "cite," well, fine. But just don't be surprised when the majority of us bring up things from other parts of Trek, because I guarantee you that most people are going to use examples from those "non-Roddenberry" parts when discussing a topic.
She wanted to unify androids against organics and support her plan of summoning the Admonition synthetic dudes to wipe out the organics. And the consensus seems to be that Sutra is the one who killed the android but Narek took the blame which was part of the plan.
I did.
But it was just fan-speculation made in fun going with the available facts, being fully aware that they are probably going to go in an entirely new direction leaving all our speculation in the dust.
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No, thanks.
I hope it's just the Cube, La Sirena and Crandall's broken down old ship. (Ok, I'd get a kick if it was an NX or Connie)
I never told you not to. Please read what I wrote more carefully. Just don’t go telling me “it’s canon. I don’t like it either but you have to accept it.” It’s entertainment not history. You don’t have to acknowledge anything that doesn’t amuse you.
Let's take Picard out of the equation. Let's see how this works in practicality.
Random Poster: When did they ever travel back to the 1960s?
Lord Garth: In "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth", through the Slingshot Effect.
Random Poster: The Slingshot Effect is so stupid I don't acknowledge it! They never traveled to the 1960s!
Lord Garth: They did. I cited two episodes where they did.
Random Poster: I don't acknowledge it! I don't like it! It didn't happen. Your evidence is null and void.
Lord Garth: Okay...
Random Poster: I also don't like that they eat food that looks like real food in TNG.
Lord Garth: Why not?
Random Poster: Because in TOS they had colored cubes with celery! That's what they eat in Star Trek! It doesn't feel like Star Trek unless they do!
Lord Garth: So you ignored "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth" but not colored cubes on a tray?
Random Poster: That's right! I like them! They remind me of Starbursts!
Lord Garth: So what about when Picard orders "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot!" in TNG? That's one of the staples of the show.
Random Poster: And does he ever have Starbursts with his tea?
Lord Garth: No...
Random Poster: So I don't acknowledge it! I don't acknowledge tea in Star Trek!
Lord Garth: I'm going to have to drop out of this discussion.
Random Poster: Why? What's wrong? You can't take the heat.
Lord Garth: No, it's not that. But as Spock said in Star Trek IV, "It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference."
Random Poster: Star Trek IV? As far as I'm concerned they only made one Star Trek movie. Back in 1979.
Lord Garth: Someone please shoot me...
Random Poster: When did they ever travel back to the 1960s?
Lord Garth: In "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth", through the Slingshot Effect.
Random Poster: The Slingshot Effect is so stupid I don't acknowledge it! They never traveled to the 1960s!
Lord Garth: They did. I cited two episodes where they did.
Random Poster: I don't acknowledge it! I don't like it! It didn't happen. Your evidence is null and void.
Lord Garth: Okay...
Random Poster: I also don't like that they eat food that looks like real food in TNG.
Lord Garth: Why not?
Random Poster: Because in TOS they had colored cubes with celery! That's what they eat in Star Trek! It doesn't feel like Star Trek unless they do!
Lord Garth: So you ignored "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" and "Assignment: Earth" but not colored cubes on a tray?
Random Poster: That's right! I like them! They remind me of Starbursts!
Lord Garth: So what about when Picard orders "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot!" in TNG? That's one of the staples of the show.
Random Poster: And does he ever have Starbursts with his tea?
Lord Garth: No...
Random Poster: So I don't acknowledge it! I don't acknowledge tea in Star Trek!
Lord Garth: I'm going to have to drop out of this discussion.
Random Poster: Why? What's wrong? You can't take the heat.
Lord Garth: No, it's not that. But as Spock said in Star Trek IV, "It would be impossible to discuss the subject without a common frame of reference."
Random Poster: Star Trek IV? As far as I'm concerned they only made one Star Trek movie. Back in 1979.
Lord Garth: Someone please shoot me...
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You certainly typed a lot of words. Congrats.
Factually he's not wrong. That's what the hardcore Roddenberry Vision enthusiasts can sound like. What doesn't fit that largely retconned and more fleshed-out and explained worldview isn't "real" Star Trek.
Star Trek didn't stop existing when DS9 premiered in 1993. Just sayin'.
Star Trek didn't stop existing when DS9 premiered in 1993. Just sayin'.
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