The High Republic: A more civilized age...

[fireproof78]

Which isn't even close to accurate. By having diversity as part of SW film it demonstrates an awareness of a broader audience and inviting more in to the fold.

The ST was not about diversity. It simply had a more diverse cast than before. Just like the OT was just about Vietnam-but the themes are still there within the story.

This isn't a black and white issue, and looking down on the production team to try and invite more diversity is ignorant of the world we live in, and insists upon leaving SW in the 70s. Personally, I do not want SW to be stagnant.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Which isn't even close to accurate. By having diversity as part of SW film it demonstrates an awareness of a broader audience and inviting more in to the fold.

The ST was not about diversity. It simply had a more diverse cast than before. Just like the OT was just about Vietnam-but the themes are still there within the story.

This isn't a black and white issue, and looking down on the production team to try and invite more diversity is ignorant of the world we live in, and insists upon leaving SW in the 70s. Personally, I do not want SW to be stagnant.

but this "progression" will be entirely surface, no depth.. while simultaneously watering down scripts. Thanks

 

[fireproof78]

but this "progression" will be entirely surface, no depth.. while simultaneously watering down scripts. Thanks

Not by my measure. I see no harm done by including diversity.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

sure there is no harm in it, unless it's done wrong.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't see how more diverse casting can be "done wrong." But, I'm sure it will be brought up here as proven by the ST and its perceived failings which had nothing to do with diversity.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I don't see how more diverse casting can be "done wrong." But, I'm sure it will be brought up here as proven by the ST and its perceived failings which had nothing to do with diversity.

except when they make women do all the right things, talk down to men, and the men are written like they are all buffoons. When the main female character in-explicitly beats the protagonist of the entire SW canon.. or when a female talks down to men.. and oh I could keep writing. AT least Rey got a small scar on her shoulder.. but ok

 

[Mysterion]

or when a female talks down to men..

Sounds like a certain Princess from Alderaan we met back in '77. Don't recall that ever being a problem, though.

 

[fireproof78]

except when they make women do all the right things, talk down to men, and the men are written like they are all buffoons. When the main female character in-explicitly beats the protagonist of the entire SW canon.. or when a female talks down to men.. and oh I could keep writing. AT least Rey got a small scar on her shoulder.. but ok

So, Leia? Padme? Ahsoka?

 

[suarezguy]

Never mind Star Wars' origin as a Vietnam allegory, with the Americans as the bad guys.

I don't think there was and I still don't see on-screen indication of either the Empire being America or Americans other than, maybe and with stretching very far, that the Empire was wealthier and with more-advanced weapons.

At least the primary visible or implied influences, and also what I think most viewers interpreted, were both World War II (Nazis vs. opponents good guy Americans) and the American Revolution (British imperialism vs. opponents good guy American rebels).

 

[CorporalCaptain]

except when they make women do all the right things, talk down to men, and the men are written like they are all buffoons. When the main female character in-explicitly beats the protagonist of the entire SW canon.. or when a female talks down to men.. and oh I could keep writing. AT least Rey got a small scar on her shoulder.. but ok

Have you actually seen Star Wars (1977) ?!?

"This is some rescue. When you came in here, didn't you have a plan for getting out?"

"Somebody has to save our skins. Into the garbage chute, flyboy."*

* - https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=star-wars says "wise guy," but I always heard "flyboy." A quick Google search indicates that I am not alone in that.​

That's against literally all three of your objections.

The woman does all the right things.
She talks down to the men.
The men are written like they're buffoons.

I mean, come on @Flying Spaghetti Monster!

 

[Awesome Possum]

Wrong on ever single point. My point is that SW is not a movie ABOUT diversity . That theya re trying to make it about diversity is like making a mobster film and then people claiming its about flowers because there is a vase a flowers in a scene

I don’t think you have any idea of what diversity means. It’s just a meaningless phrase that you associate with bad things and not a concrete concept to you. Because you’ve actually pointed out examples of actual diversity that you enjoy, but you continue to rant about how much you hate diversity. It’s like you view it as a boogeyman responsible for everything you don’t like about a piece of media.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Leia in ANH was bickering, in the sense of a fun serial. Holdo talking down to Poe was so very different. They even filmed her girraffe neck towering over him

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think there was and I still don't see on-screen indication of either the Empire being America or Americans other than, maybe and with stretching very far, that the Empire was wealthier and with more-advanced weapons.

At least the primary visible or implied influences, and also what I think most viewers interpreted, were both World War II (Nazis vs. opponents good guy Americans) and the American Revolution (British imperialism vs. opponents good guy American rebels).

Whether people like it or not it was Lucas' intent and is in his notes from the beginning.

Leia in ANH was bickering, in the sense of a fun serial. Holdo talking down to Poe was so very different. They even filmed her girraffe neck towering over him

Leia in Empire? It wasn't always fun.

Regardless, Poe was wrong. Male or female it mattered not. Poe was wrong.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Leia in ANH was bickering, in the sense of a fun serial. Holdo talking down to Poe was so very different. They even filmed her girraffe neck towering over him

She was a superior officer and he disobeyed a direct order. This is how the chain of command operates. If you fuck up, you’re going to get chewed out. Based on how militaries actually work he got off easy. I find it bizarre that a certain sunset got so upset because it shows a complete lack of understanding of how the real world works. It isn’t an attack on men, force diversity or some other nonsense. It’s how the world really works and some people got upset because it was a woman chewing out a man and that upset some very sensitive people.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Was he wrong. I think she was wrong. But of course the script doesn't know.. after all of that she tells Leia how much she likes him.

Ogf course by the time you realize that a droid could have flown the suicide run or even earlier when Leia is flying through space, you realize that the script is a terrible garbage fire that doesn't advance the saga. For me to analyze whtehr she is right or wrong is to give the script too much credit

 

[fireproof78]

It isn’t an attack on men, force diversity or some other nonsense. It’s how the world really works and some people got upset because it was a woman chewing out a man and that upset some very sensitive people.

Forgive my language, but this is a no shit moment for me, at least. I have had both male and female managers and have been summarily chewed out by both. It is part of leadership.

Was he wrong. I think she was wrong. But of course the script doesn't know.. after all of that she tells Leia how much she likes him.

Ogf course by the time you realize that a droid could have flown the suicide run or even earlier when Leia is flying through space, you realize that the script is a terrible garbage fire that doesn't advance the saga. For me to analyze whtehr she is right or wrong is to give the script too much credit

Not a matter of effort. It's present in the script. Poe was wrong, the script treats him as being wrong and Holdo's efforts are right, and there was no reason for the suicide run until the very end.

All of which is present in the film. I figured it out on first viewing.

 

[Ithekro]

The trouble here is not diversity, nor the script. This is one person not getting it and calling it bad and blaming diversity for a seeming lack of comprehension.

The larger trouble, is that it is not just one person. There are enough that like to be loud on the internet that those that generally don't pay that much attention only hear them and form an illinformed opinion based on their ramblings.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

again the script is both a tonal mess and a garbage fire and nothing in it matters anyway. The Poe/ Holdo plot was just to fill out the run time.

 

[fireproof78]

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I don't buy the argument that the script of TLJ is flawed because a droid could have made the jump through the Super Star Destroyer into hyperspace.

For one thing, it is a theme of the Saga, since the original film and throughout all of the prequels, that droids are inferior tacticians to trained soldiers. Holdo was therefore better able to handle the gamut of contingencies that could have occurred, including whether to commit to the suicide maneuver.

Further, as a question of trust, abandoning your ship to a machine when the entire Resistance's survival is on the line would be an extraordinarily irresponsible dereliction of duty.

So, yeah, what I was saying.