Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x01 - "Brother"

[Nerys Myk]

And?

 

[shivkala]

I just watched this, Sundays worked better for me to watch it live than Thursdays, plus I had to call CBS to clear up a problem I had casting this to my TV (my fault, it's been happening since the Short Treks began, but with those only being ~10 minutes, I didn't bother and just watched them on my phone). So, sorry, but I'm not wading through 60+ pages, so if it's been discussed already, I apologize:

• I'm still wary about yet another retcon addition to Spock's family with Burnham. Last season it was easier to take, but now we're going full on. I wonder if they'll mention Sybok. Perhaps, in addition to teaching Spock empathy, Michael was an attempt by Sarek to understand where Sybok was coming from. Maybe even marrying Amanda was part of that attempt. It's probably best to leave Sybok in the recesses of time, but this year is ST: V's 30th anniversary, perhaps we'll get a novel tying everything together...
• I can't help but see some of the episode as a reaction to people last year online. For instance, Tilly officially referring to the ship as "Disco." Another one was Pike's comment about Enterprise getting the new uniforms. There were a few other moments I thought they seemed to be sticking it to the detractors.
• I love how they subverted the red shirt thing by referencing it, then having the Science Officer be the one to die. I'm kind of surprised the engineer made it, seeing as how they introduced Reno and could have pulled a Trek '09 with the ship needing an engineer and them coming across one in a remote location virtually all by themselves. They still might, if the Enterprise engineer is not going to be a permanent part of Discovery. Does Discovery even have a Chief Engineer? Speaking of which:
• I keep forgetting Stamets isn't the Engineer. I was very confused for a minute when Tilly was trying to find him lab space, then I remembered he was in charge of the Spore Drive research. I guess structurally, he did fit the role of Engineer last season, but that doesn't make him the engineer.
• Pike is very likable. There are definite tones of Bruce Greenwood's take.
• Speaking of Pike and reactions to last season, I did like the "Getting to know you" moment. It's nice to be introduced to the bridge crew, formally. I read that they're going to focus more on them, so this was a nice moment.
• Saru remains a great character. I do like that he's "co-parenting" with Pike.
• I'm still not seeing the big picture on the Short Treks, but that's most likely by design. They definitely did work in Saru's episode, with the reference to his sister, but as for the rest, I guess Tilly's mention of a renewable energy source might be a tie-in with her episode, but that doesn't explain when it takes place since this episode picked up right where we left off.
• The whole thing with the Enterprise was odd. I saw a shuttle(?) going over there as Discovery left, but maybe I missed something, it just seemed odd for her Captain, Engineer, and Science Officer to leave it in such a state. We saw it fly in, but, then they seemed to treat it as dead in the water, so to speak. Is it going to sit out the rest of the season, giving Pike an excuse to be off-ship for that time?
• Speaking of Pike, what about the intended Captain on Vulcan? Are we going to have to wait all season to find out who it is?
• Seeing as how this is 3 years after "The Cage," does that mean the Talosian incident helped him get over Rigel VII? Will we see the effects of that rear its head, seeing as how in "The Cage" it seemingly made him question remaining as a starship captain?

I know some of these are intentionally vague because we'll see them play out over the course of the season, but I want to know now!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Speaking of Pike, what about the intended Captain on Vulcan? Are we going to have to wait all season to find out who it is?

We may never know.

Seeing as how this is 3 years after "The Cage," does that mean the Talosian incident helped him get over Rigel VII? Will we see the effects of that rear its head, seeing as how in "The Cage" it seemingly made him question remaining as a starship captain?

He'll never be over Rigel VII

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Captain Pike mentioned a landing party. A landing party!

Party time! Woohoo!!!

Sounds much more fun than away team.

It was already used a number of times in the first season. See "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" (DSC), "The Wolf Inside" (DSC), and "Will You Take My Hand?" (DSC), for example.

"Landing party" was the term used in the TOS era.

Not exclusively, though. Other terms like "shore party," "boarding party," and "planet detachment" were also used in episodes such as "The Return Of The Archons" (TOS), "Space Seed" (TOS), and "And The Children Shall Lead" (TOS), respectively. Further, "landing party" was still heard occasionally in the 24th century; see for instance "The Last Outpost" (TNG), "Datalore" (TNG), "The Arsenal Of Freedom" (TNG), and "The Royale" (TNG). ENT also used the terms interchangeably throughout.

-MMoM

 

[Mudd]

I chose to look at the positive, and rated it a 6 - could have been a 4 or 5, it's hard to say what those soggy middle numbers mean.

 

[thribs]

Kurtzman really likes things that spin doesn't he?

 

[DaveyNY]

Kurtzman really likes things that spin doesn't he?

Spinning is the new Vibration.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Romulans having all similar hair styles makes sense based on what we know about their culture, they're very uniform, strict and monotone.

Plus most of the ones we seen are in the military.

But the Romulans in TOS didn't all have the same hairstyle

 

[DaveyNY]

But the Romulans in TOS didn't all have the same hairstyle

Yeah, most of them wore Helmets.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, most of them wore Helmets.

Not everyday is a good hair day.

 

[nutshell]

I just watched this, Sundays worked better for me to watch it live than Thursdays, plus I had to call CBS to clear up a problem I had casting this to my TV (my fault, it's been happening since the Short Treks began, but with those only being ~10 minutes, I didn't bother and just watched them on my phone). So, sorry, but I'm not wading through 60+ pages, so if it's been discussed already, I apologize:

• I'm still wary about yet another retcon addition to Spock's family with Burnham. Last season it was easier to take, but now we're going full on. I wonder if they'll mention Sybok. Perhaps, in addition to teaching Spock empathy, Michael was an attempt by Sarek to understand where Sybok was coming from. Maybe even marrying Amanda was part of that attempt. It's probably best to leave Sybok in the recesses of time, but this year is ST: V's 30th anniversary, perhaps we'll get a novel tying everything together...
• I can't help but see some of the episode as a reaction to people last year online. For instance, Tilly officially referring to the ship as "Disco." Another one was Pike's comment about Enterprise getting the new uniforms. There were a few other moments I thought they seemed to be sticking it to the detractors.
• I love how they subverted the red shirt thing by referencing it, then having the Science Officer be the one to die. I'm kind of surprised the engineer made it, seeing as how they introduced Reno and could have pulled a Trek '09 with the ship needing an engineer and them coming across one in a remote location virtually all by themselves. They still might, if the Enterprise engineer is not going to be a permanent part of Discovery. Does Discovery even have a Chief Engineer? Speaking of which:
• I keep forgetting Stamets isn't the Engineer. I was very confused for a minute when Tilly was trying to find him lab space, then I remembered he was in charge of the Spore Drive research. I guess structurally, he did fit the role of Engineer last season, but that doesn't make him the engineer.
• Pike is very likable. There are definite tones of Bruce Greenwood's take.
• Speaking of Pike and reactions to last season, I did like the "Getting to know you" moment. It's nice to be introduced to the bridge crew, formally. I read that they're going to focus more on them, so this was a nice moment.
• Saru remains a great character. I do like that he's "co-parenting" with Pike.
• I'm still not seeing the big picture on the Short Treks, but that's most likely by design. They definitely did work in Saru's episode, with the reference to his sister, but as for the rest, I guess Tilly's mention of a renewable energy source might be a tie-in with her episode, but that doesn't explain when it takes place since this episode picked up right where we left off.
• The whole thing with the Enterprise was odd. I saw a shuttle(?) going over there as Discovery left, but maybe I missed something, it just seemed odd for her Captain, Engineer, and Science Officer to leave it in such a state. We saw it fly in, but, then they seemed to treat it as dead in the water, so to speak. Is it going to sit out the rest of the season, giving Pike an excuse to be off-ship for that time?
• Speaking of Pike, what about the intended Captain on Vulcan? Are we going to have to wait all season to find out who it is?
• Seeing as how this is 3 years after "The Cage," does that mean the Talosian incident helped him get over Rigel VII? Will we see the effects of that rear its head, seeing as how in "The Cage" it seemingly made him question remaining as a starship captain?

I know some of these are intentionally vague because we'll see them play out over the course of the season, but I want to know now!

Regarding the Enterprise, I think it swooped in on impulse. It wasn’t dead in the water, it just couldn’t go to warp. Hence the need for the tugs. Meanwhile, Pike needs to continue the mission he started and is given control of Discovery. A nearby ship without a captain, but with a spore drive.

 

[DaveyNY]

I was thinking that perhaps it is the central computer that is the problem, and it keeps shutting down systems randomly at unexpected moments.
Thus the ship may look OK upon arrival, but a moment later the impulse engines cut out.
Or the Transporter quits... etc...

 

[shivkala]

He'll never be over Rigel VII

That does explain his drinking problem...

Regarding the Enterprise, I think it swooped in on impulse. It wasn’t dead in the water, it just couldn’t go to warp. Hence the need for the tugs. Meanwhile, Pike needs to continue the mission he started and is given control of Discovery. A nearby ship without a captain, but with a spore drive.

That does make sense. Maybe they had to eject the warp core. We haven't had a decent warp core ejection in quite a while, it's about time for one.

I was thinking that perhaps it is the central computer that is the problem, and it keeps shutting down systems randomly at unexpected moments.
Thus the ship may look OK upon arrival, but a moment later the impulse engines cut out.
Or the Transporter quits... etc...

Sort of like how the Enterprise-D was affected by the virus in "Contagion" where systems would randomly malfunction and then work fine. That could work also and explain how the systems the plot demanded not be functional were not responding, but could have come back up the minute Discovery warped away.

 

[DaveyNY]

That does explain his drinking problem...



That does make sense. Maybe they had to eject the warp core. We haven't had a decent warp core ejection in quite a while, it's about time for one.



Sort of like how the Enterprise-D was affected by the virus in "Contagion" where systems would randomly malfunction and then work fine. That could work also and explain how the systems the plot demanded not be functional were not responding, but could have come back up the minute Discovery warped away.

And having the Tugs taking the ship to wherever, makes even more sense.
It would really ruin everybody's day if the computer suddenly decided to turn off the Antimatter Containment Field in mid Warp flight.

 

[Vger23]

Was it just me, or perhaps the angles being used, or did it look like the Discovery's warp nacelles were shortened up a bit?

I actually hope not, because I find the design of the Crossfield class to be on of my favorites,and I always loved the long, thin warp nacelle design.

 

[saddestmoon]

Was it just me, or perhaps the angles being used, or did it look like the Discovery's warp nacelles were shortened up a bit?

I actually hope not, because I find the design of the Crossfield class to be on of my favorites,and I always loved the long, thin warp nacelle design.

That also crossed my mind - and was also what I thought - although as you mentioned it might just be a trick of angles perhaps?

There’s definitely more beautiful shots of the Discovery in this one ep alone (than in all of season 1) so hopefully indicative of season 2 as a whole!

Apologies for bursting into song:

Red angels, disco angles / got me in a sporedrive spin!

[gets coat]

 

[Lakenheath 72]

In "Contagion", we saw the Yamato looking reasonably well, considering the ship's systems were infected with the Iconican probe virus. So, I am not troubled by the Enterprise not looking like the Enterprise-C.

I would like to know more about the tugs and what was said on the graphic about the Hiawatha.

 

[thribs]

We may never know.

He'll never be over Rigel VII

Kirk never got over it as well.
We need to see Pike having a drink and see if he has a drinking problem.

 

[cooleddie74]

We may never know.

He'll never be over Rigel VII

Well, golly.

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[Gavin70]

does nobody remember Spock's very own half-brother Sybok?

No! We absolutely do not remember any such character that never ever existed in a movie that never happened!