Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x11 - "The Wolf Inside"

[thribs]

God I hate Clem Fandango.

 

[lursa]

Either

(A) It's Star Trek. They are recognisable Trek props used to add dimension to the set and the Lorca character

(B) It's a fan nod. A cute little addition to the piece as a wink to the audience

(C) To fuck with the fans. Knowing where they were going with the Tyler material, the presence of a Tribble automatically sets off the Trekkie continuity juices leaving them to slavver endlessly about how they predicted it all right from the get go cos of a terrified ball of fur reacting to the Wolf Inside. A red herring then, not a Chekov's phaser.

It's really mostly A and B, perhaps with a touch of C.

Hugo - nah, mostly C

*puts on tinfoil hat*
This is (mostly) just for fun, but I'm gonna go off the rails with the "Lorca is from the MU" theory here.
IIRC, Starfleet didn't know that Klingons hated tribbles until TOS. Let's assume that Starfleet put out some kind of a general "hey, don't feed the tribbles" notice after that whole fiasco, and the Defiant picked it up. A while later, the Defiant gets whoopsied back in time to the MU.

At some point, the Terran Empire goes through the Defiant's logs and finds out that Klingons hate tribbles, and because they're jerks, they disseminate that information. Lorca's a captain, so he's in the loop.

Stuff happens. Mirror Lorca ends up in the Prime universe with his collection of not-yet-discovered dead space critters. (The tribble's probably taxidermied since it didn't react to Tyler, and it's hard to have just one of 'em if they're alive.) Lorca ends up fighting some Klingons. We already know that he likes to weaponize space critters, so he probably put the tribble on his desk as a reminder to go pick some up later if there's time.
He really would have loved to troll the Klingons with some (live) tribbles, but it just didn't work out. Oh well.
*removes tinfoil hat*

 

[Agony_Boothb]

God I hate Clem Fandango.

This is probably my favourite Clem Fandango moment.

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The writers missed a golden opportunity by not casting matt berry as mudd.

 

[rhllot]

Tellarites look thin, especially female

 

[Guy Gardener]

Toast of London is no Fawltey Towers.

It's good, but has Toast of London really penetrated the global market?

 

[thribs]

That poster for the episode looks good but that ship looks too much like a Star Trek ship to be in this.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Did wonder that myself. Never been a big MU fan, seems more of a fan thing to want to see an evil twin to their favourite characters rather than something which would appeal to the wider audience they are looking for

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Somehow i have the feeling that Mirror Voq has survived and will end up in the Prime Universe, where he'll be part of the solution that ends the war...

 

[Rhodan]

Just watched the first two eps of this half of the season.

Same reaction to this as the previous one. I love the execution but still fail to understand WHY they decided to bring the crew to the MU this early in the series. Sure they've done a really good job with the de-camped version of the MU, but if you asked me to put odds on which show would go to a mirror universe first, Orville or Discovery, I would have thought the odds were 10:1 in favor of Orville. They're reinventing Trek by going where nearly all Treks have gone before, why?

IMHO, by the end of this season, the premise is going to be pretty changed and MU will no longer be feasible. Rather, this will be used as means to that change.

Anyway, this is still solid 7/10, good, but a little disappointment after the previous week.

- Say what you want, but I´m glad I finally saw more of Michael´s skin.... yay

- Mirror Saru is even more like Kryten than in our universe.

- As others said, the whole thing felt contrived to the max. From the questions where Shenzhou and Discovery are, what is Shenzhou even doing, to Micheal getting Defiant files, but not being able to decrypt them. Oh and Micheal being convinced that she will hear something about Klingons cooexisting with other races and somehow it will be relevant in the PU context.

- Tyler succumbing to Voq was probably the bast pert of the episode. as well as his seizure and fight with his Mirror self.

- Scenes with rebels were fine, but incredibly quick and straightforward, becouse they want to do emperor Georgiou storyline as soon as possible.

 

[dahj]

everything else is pretty bog-standard evil empire stuff which was the norm through much of human history.

Well I find the "standard" stuff that's "normal" horrific enough...

 

[donners22]

We have JJ to thank for this. Leaving plot holes to move the action along and let the fans fill in the blanks. It's lazy writing but it's a sign of the times.

Come on. Trek has been riddled with plot holes long since before then. Hell, there are nitpicker books dedicated to it. WoK has giant plot holes, yet many Trek fans gush over it as a masterpiece.

Plus, as pointed out on the previous page, it wasn't even a plot hole. Lazy viewers are at fault, not lazy writers.

 

[Sebine_91]

Caught up with the episode and thoroughly enjoyed it - this show is getting better and better in my opinion! Glad we're getting an extended visit to the MU.

The main questions for me are:

• What's the MU Discovery doing at the moment? Are they trying to blend in like the regular universe crew or is all Hell breaking loose?
• What will happen with Ash/Voq? Part of me sees him being the key to resolving the conflict in the regular universe somehow. Unless of course Mirror Voq plays that role if he's taken to the regular universe.
• Will we actually get to see The Defiant? I really hope so!

I had no idea there was a Mirror Lorca theory. Personally, I'd rather that didn't turn out to be the case but could see it transpiring. Although, whilst he's certainly not a 'by the books' Captain I don't think he's shown full on Terran level evil. That smirk though....

Can't wait for next week!

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

That's probably just the "Palace," the flagship of the Terran Empire and constructed to look almost like a city in space. Designed to both awe and intimidate with its sheer size and visual complexity.

And the Captain who gave Burnham her orders to destroy the rebels, he came in the "flagship". Could the Defiant be that flagship if it isn't the Empress' personal ship?

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess it's a possibility. The Defiant is likely the most powerful and advanced vessel in the Terran Starfleet given she was a quantum improvement in speed, firepower and defensive systems when she first arrived more than 100 years earlier and has likely gotten only more powerful since.

 

[Rhodan]

I come to think that Defiant actually doesn´t exist anymore, only parts were probably used for building the Palace. After all, what Discovery needs isn´t Defiant itself, it is information how Mirror Tholians get it into MU.

 

[Timo]

Which of course will be a problem. Not even the Tholians themselves dared use their own solution - instead, they lured the Defiant through. Could a rift like that be opened at all from the side of the party wishing to go through?

...Does the original rift "still" exist, or will it only start to exist ten years from the DSC now? (Will it then stay or disappear?)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Captain Robau]

So with Lorca's smirk...

Couldn't the guy have just seen the irony played out in front of him concerning Burnham and Georgiou?

I mean, obviously he knew about their relationship and what happened between them in the prime universe. The twist of fate shown in this episode would have felicitated a smirk from me, too, had I been in his same position.

Solid episode, but 7/10 for me personally. For reference "5" would be an average Star Trek episode. Visitor, BOBW, etc IMHO are 9's - just want to give some perspective.

 

[Sebine_91]

I come to think that Defiant actually doesn´t exist anymore, only parts were probably used for building the Palace. After all, what Discovery needs isn´t Defiant itself, it is information how Mirror Tholians get it into MU.

Good point! I think this is likely. Also, considering that the Defiant was future-tech, it would make sense that the Terrans took it apart to see how things worked and then used that knowledge to build new things e.g. The Palace.

Had a thought re the 'Lorca is actually the MU Lorca' theory. He tells Burnham to just go ahead and kill the rebels without a second thought. Whilst it's true that he's been in the agony booth and he's probably not thinking straight, I couldn't see any of the other Captains from previous series giving that order. Indeed, I was watching the STC Episode Divided We Fall the other night and in that Kirk can't bring himself to take part in the battle properly as it would mean killing people and it 'isn't his fight'; his course of action struck me as a very Kirk (and indeed Starfleet) thing to do.

I've obviously been out of the loop as I had no idea this MU Lorca theory even existed! When did it start to get discussed?

 

[Bay17]

So with Lorca's smirk...

Couldn't the guy have just seen the irony played out in front of him concerning Burnham and Georgiou?

My thought exactly

 

[Hythlodeus]

So with Lorca's smirk...

Couldn't the guy have just seen the irony played out in front of him

I'm not sure it is safe living in denial, with all those crocodiles and stuff